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The H1B Visa Scam — It’s Bigger and Worse Than We Thought

Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:06 pm
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:06 pm
LINK ]The H1B Visa Scam — It’s Bigger and Worse Than We Thought


President Trump recently cracked down on the H1B visa program, requiring companies to pay $100,000 to sponsor a worker.

The program was originally intended to bring in temporary employees with highly specialized skills that few Americans possessed. H

owever, as the White House proclamation states, the H-1B program “has been deliberately exploited to replace, rather than supplement, American workers.”

In practice, it now serves to import general IT and tech workers, displacing Americans and driving down wages.

Investigations have uncovered widespread fraud: fake applicants, forged documents, and shell companies that sponsor visas and then place workers into U.S. firms on contract.

Over the past 30 years, a pattern has emerged in which hiring an Indian HR manager often leads to a steady increase in Indian workers until Americans become a minority in certain departments or entire companies.... LINK ][extract]

Wild stuff. My theory is that in the 90s executives got pissed off that tech workers were getting paid more then themselves, so they fixed it...

Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:10 pm to
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Investigations have uncovered widespread fraud: fake applicants, forged documents, and shell companies that sponsor visas and then place workers into U.S. firms on contract.



The shell companies are the problem

Break up the shell companies and make what they do illegal and most of the problem goes away

Pretty much all the fraud originates from the shell companies. From wage arbitrage, to kickbacks, to fake credentials and resumes, to ghost interviews
Posted by stout
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:15 pm to
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Pretty much all the fraud originates from the shell companies. From wage arbitrage, to kickbacks, to fake credentials and resumes, to ghost interviews

Investigate every H1B granted.

If there was any fraud revoke any citizenship.
Deport immediately.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:29 pm to
I'm an SAP functional architect in a Samsung subsidy that makes consumer products that most of you have at least one of in your home or k ow someone who does. Just Friday they announced 15 or my colleagues in the US were laid off starting today as part of a "reorganization"

They do this periodically and shuffle everything around so I asked if our responsibilities or module assignments were changing or if this was just a Reduction In Force. They said nothing is changing, the roles are just being moved to BCC (best cost countries).

Instead of going the H1B routes they are just firing Americans and moving the positions to one of our established offices in India. I asked my Manager to help me understand why I shouldn't just be waiting foe the next "workforce optimization" and still give a shite about this place and his response was that our American executives and their Korean overlords hate dealing with Indians so we will always have to have some minimal American presence. I just need to make sure I keep myself more valuable to the company than the dude sitting next to me.



Sometimes is actually does suck to be an American. Especially a white male one.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:32 pm to
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Instead of going the H1B routes they are just firing Americans and moving the positions to one of our established offices in India. I asked my Manager to help me understand why I shouldn't just be waiting foe the next "workforce optimization" and still give a shite about this place and his response was that our American executives and their Korean overlords hate dealing with Indians so we will always have to have some minimal American presence. I just need to make sure I keep myself more valuable to the company than the dude sitting next to me.



Pretty much had the same conversation with my manager

I asked flat out why HCL Technologies (an H1B warehouse shell company) reps kept showing up enmasse in our building wearing visitors badges. Sure enough we have had rounds of layoffs that I have survived up to this point.

Basically was told that I should be safe because my role requires strong people skills on top of technical skills but the roles that are closer to 100% techinical are on the chopping block

Was told the same shite at my last 3 jobs before being replaced by an H1B that I was forced to train to get my severance...how I would be the "last" to go if any layoffs were to occur. bullshite. The first to go are the more expensive employees.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:38 pm to
They're also used to a much lower standard of living. A bunch of them will often live in the same house or apartment.

Companies can pay them FAR less. Americans can't compete with that.
Posted by OYB
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:41 pm to
bobs and vagene
Posted by Narax
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:54 pm to
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Basically was told that I should be safe because my role requires strong people skills on top of technical skills but the roles that are closer to 100% techinical are on the chopping block


In general the management types don't understand technical work.

Indian engineers are fantastic at sounding like they know what they do.

Docker, AI, Pipeline etc...

It's shockingly easy for non technical people to be bamboozled by lying recruiters and desperate Indian Engineers.

Management egotistically thinks that Technical can't be smarter than them, therefore they shouldn't need to pay so much.
Posted by Sunnyvale
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 3:02 pm to
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Companies can pay them FAR less. Americans can't compete with that.



Thats the American Dream.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 3:03 pm to
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In general the management types don't understand technical work.

Indian engineers are fantastic at sounding like they know what they do.

Docker, AI, Pipeline etc...

It's shockingly easy for non technical people to be bamboozled by lying recruiters and desperate Indian Engineers.

Management egotistically thinks that Technical can't be smarter than them, therefore they shouldn't need to pay so much.


That's another reason the root of the problem are the H1B warehhouse consultancies

They bring in these Indians with promise of a job and forge their resume, credentials, education, you name it. Then they either put these Indians through a boot camp style course to memorize basic level knowledge of a tech stack that will be just enough to be able to fool an interviewer, OR they perform ghost interviews where a stand in does the interview on behalf of the Indian

Either way it fools these C-Suite types who don't know anything about how technical work operates. Combine that with the stereotype pushed on Americans that all Indians are automatically super geniuses because they win spelling bees, and you have a recipe for replacement
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 3:17 pm to
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That's another reason the root of the problem are the H1B warehhouse consultancies

They bring in these Indians with promise of a job and forge their resume, credentials, education, you name it. Then they either put these Indians through a boot camp style course to memorize basic level knowledge of a tech stack that will be just enough to be able to fool an interviewer, OR they perform ghost interviews where a stand in does the interview on behalf of the Indian

Either way it fools these C-Suite types who don't know anything about how technical work operates. Combine that with the stereotype pushed on Americans that all Indians are automatically super geniuses because they win spelling bees, and you have a recipe for replacement


True that.

I also know the older generation were great overall, the ones who are 60+ now.

They were the cream of the crop, there weren't many of them, they came in with PhD level knowledge, and now the rest are living off that reputation.

The current generation is terrible, but they stick together.
Posted by BobABooey
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 3:52 pm to
The same execs who hire H1Bs because “Americans don’t have the necessary skills” pat themselves on the back for giving backpacks with school supplies to poor kids.

I had a coworker who was Indian warn me to beware of Indians because they “always lie.” He didn’t mean lying in a malicious way-it was more about telling you what you wanted to hear. He said you had to be especially wary of the ones whose pants were starched so much, the crease would cut an apple. Those were the most recent arrivals.
Posted by The Torch
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 3:57 pm to
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a steady increase in Indian workers until Americans become a minority in certain departments or entire companies.


Once an Indian gets in a hiring position all they hire are more Indians, they discriminate against Americans and especially American Women.
Posted by snakanator
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:03 pm to
Short Costco!
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:04 pm to
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Over the past 30 years, a pattern has emerged in which hiring an Indian HR manager often leads to a steady increase in Indian workers until Americans become a minority in certain departments or entire companies...


I have witnessed this first-hand. It happened at a company I worked at for over 21 years. It was a global IT services firm (but part of a larger company) with operations in every area of the globe. Each geography was run as a separate company, with very little cross-pollination between geographies. The parent company decided that we needed to consolidate our IT Services business into one global entity. To accomplish this, the company brought in an external CEO to run this new global entity. He was a former Cognizant executive with a background in offshoring. He was an Indian living/working in London. He didn't want to listen to anyone; he quickly began moving us away from our traditional business.

Instead of selling IT services to companies around the US, we were now going to focus on filling seats in "Global Delivery Centers" based in India. It wasn't long before we were RIFing long tenured US staff to be replaced by indian based resources. The problems began to compound. The Indian staff had no idea how to do the job, but the US staff that was let go had years (some decades) of experience. We found we had to hire around 2.5 Indian resources for every one we replaced in the US. Their work ethic was terrible, and their communication was worse. The time zone difference slows everything way down.

It pissed me off to no end to have to cut an $80k person with years of experience to be replaced by 2.5 indians at 27K each. It didn't make any sense financially or operationally. Error rates went through the roof; the Indian resources cost us more than the US resources.

A FLOOD of Indians joined the company, taking over the positions and decision-making from all of the US management team. These people were being hired at salaries double what their US counterparts were making. I personally witnessed multiple occasions of them disrespecting women in the workplace. I was on numerous calls with employees complaining to HR.

I lost my job when the management team of the US Services business was let go. We were told we didn't understand the new business model and that the company was moving in a different direction. 21 Years gone, I exited as Sr. VP of Operations.

The results were disastrous. Sales cratered, customers fled, and the new CEO lasted only two years before being fired by the Board. They are trying to reverse the damage, but it has set them back years. Me, I'm doing fine. It took over a year to find a good job, but I finally found the right gig and went back to work at the beginning of August.





Posted by goldennugget
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:11 pm to
Everyone has a similar story to yours yet the grift continues and more and more Americans continue to get replaced

Both parties are OK with it
Posted by Cajun67
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:10 pm to
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Investigate every H1B granted. If there was any fraud revoke any citizenship. Deport immediately.

and prosecute the government employees who accordingly were directly related with that entrance of all h1b alien on grounds of "The most serious charges fall under the Espionage Act of 1917, found in Chapter 37 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code. ".
Posted by captainFid
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:26 pm to
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Over the past 30 years, a pattern has emerged in which hiring an Indian HR manager often leads to a steady increase in Indian workers until Americans become a minority in certain departments or entire companies
Filed under 'no shite'.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:37 pm to
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and prosecute the government employees who accordingly were directly related with that entrance of all h1b alien on grounds of "The most serious charges fall under the Espionage Act of 1917, found in Chapter 37 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code. ".

Agreed fully.
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