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New Mexico becomes first state to offer universal child care
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:17 pm
Didn't see a thread on it but understandable that this got overlooked with the CK news this week.
NM to offer universal childcare for all
NM to offer universal childcare for all
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:19 pm to Powerman
No. It’s not. Multiple states have tried this and stopped it.
Edit: misread it. Thought it was health care.
This will still have the same fate.
Edit: misread it. Thought it was health care.
This will still have the same fate.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:21 pm to Powerman
Let them try it, but no bailout when they can’t fund basic services.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:22 pm to Powerman
quote:you mean before school age?
first state to offer universal child care
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:25 pm to Powerman
Instead of creating an expensive new program, why not actually address the underlying cause of why childcare is so expensive?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:26 pm to Powerman
They can have at it - as long as it’s NM state taxpayer money only
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Note that this is way more expensive than health insurance for children. The program will be insolvent in three years without drastically increasing the workforce.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:29 pm to Powerman
Free to try as long as zero federal funding is used.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:55 pm to Powerman
It will be like most states DMV offices or any Gov run agency. The state will decide everything and it will be a shot show in the end
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:06 pm to Powerman
It was posted here last week.
I say it is good. This is what people here are supposed to be for: a state deciding what is best for the education of its children. If you don't like it, don't live in New Mexico. If you live in New Mexico and you don't like it, vote accordingly.
I say it is good. This is what people here are supposed to be for: a state deciding what is best for the education of its children. If you don't like it, don't live in New Mexico. If you live in New Mexico and you don't like it, vote accordingly.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Instead of creating an expensive new program, why not actually address the underlying cause of why childcare is so expensive?
Out of curiosity... what IS the underlying cause of expensive childcare?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:17 pm to faraway
quote:
you mean before school age?
Amen! Say it again!
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:24 pm to Powerman
And, like anything else government gets its mitts on, it’ll be for shite with massive cost overruns.
But if that’s what the good people of New Mexico want and vote for, more power to them.
But if that’s what the good people of New Mexico want and vote for, more power to them.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:31 pm to Godfather1
I think the concept is it might be a draw to get people and businesses to relocate there. I've only been to NM a few times and have no desire to return. But I didn't get to see the nicer ski resort areas.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 12:34 am to OU Guy
quote:
The state will decide everything and it will be a shot show in the end
My prediction: it will create an increase in child care costs. And when the state stops paying, the inflationary rate will remain.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 12:40 am to Powerman
How will they pay for it? I didn’t see that in the article
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:04 am to L.A.
Oil and gas surplus they set aside. $10B.
There’s 112k kids under 5. If half of them (and 0 kids over 5 get any benefits) at a cost to the government of $8000/child, that will be roughly 5% of the surplus that’s been allocated in year one. Considering they are also allocating millions for worker recruitment and new childcare facilities, I think year 3 might be about right for the program becoming insolvent. Might make it to year 5.
More likely, it’s turns into a sliding scale with the new scale being greatly inflated from the old scale.
There’s 112k kids under 5. If half of them (and 0 kids over 5 get any benefits) at a cost to the government of $8000/child, that will be roughly 5% of the surplus that’s been allocated in year one. Considering they are also allocating millions for worker recruitment and new childcare facilities, I think year 3 might be about right for the program becoming insolvent. Might make it to year 5.
More likely, it’s turns into a sliding scale with the new scale being greatly inflated from the old scale.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:09 am to the808bass
quote:
My prediction: it will create an increase in child care costs. And when the state stops paying, the inflationary rate will remain.
The program has been in place for about 5 years, and with this expansion costs to the state will increase by about 25%. First couple of years it was funded by federal, last few years by their land grant permanent fund.
As of 2024 the going rate that the state pays the childcare centers is $500 full time for school age and $1,075 full time for a toddler.
Not bad...
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:15 am to Hester5452007
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As of 2024 the going rate that the state pays the childcare centers is $500 full time for school age and $1,075 full time for a toddler.
1) the government is worse than an 8 year old at predicting enrollment in free plans.
2) those rates of reimbursement aren’t sustainable for larger percentages of enrollees in a class. In other words, those paying full price are subsidizing the government rate kids (just like Medicaid).
So this will end up bankrupting childcare centers as their enrollment from the universal students increases as a percentage of their total enrollment.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 1:16 am
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:32 am to the808bass
quote:
1) the government is worse than an 8 year old at predicting enrollment in free plans.
The program has already been in place since 2022 for up to 400% of the poverty level and they have 27,000 enrollees. By removing the poverty level qualifier they expect to have 39,000 total enrollees and they have drastically reducing birth rates.
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2) those rates of reimbursement aren’t sustainable for larger percentages of enrollees in a class. In other words, those paying full price are subsidizing the government rate kids (just like Medicaid).
They already use a market rate reimbursement system set at the 75th percentile so they are already paying above the average market cost.
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