Time to have a serious conversation about universities and their usefulness.

Time to defund them

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3. They admit students that arguably should not have completed high school

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this needs to be seriously overhauled

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1. You can prove your worth in many cases to employers with equivalent work experience, assessments, online nanodegrees (programs that actually focus on a specific subject), trades etc

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No you can't in many fields. I'm in behavioral health and you need to attend college for stuff like this.

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4. Because they do this, professors turn their heads and pass students as long as they show up to class.. even when they can not speak proper English

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Again...this part fo the system needs to be trashed. I say this as someone who is ashamed at what LSU has become and was sickend at the grades I was required to give as someone who taught at ULM...I was scolded for grading people who wouldn't type in basic english "too hard"

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5. The higher admission rates means increased tax payer dollars for scholarship and state funding

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again.... REFORM THE frick OUT OF THIS.

But to say universities are not useful is ignorant. Nothing against trades, but many jobs require a formal education.... the system is broken and the system needs to be trashed are not the same thing.

The problem is not the existence of universities. The problem is how they have been overtaken by the left starting in the 1970s (the 1960s in Calif).
Professors were hired by their expertise in the subject, not their commitment to diversity.
A lot of new subjects (like gender studies) should be dropped. But universities can be great by returning to their original mission of challenging students to be the best in their field.
Also, universities were at their best when about 25% of HS kids attended them. It's not for everyone. That's a waste of time and money.

My school, Alabama is full of commies as well. They all are.

It's not just universities it's our education system as a whole. Get rid of all curriculum that isn't Reading writing arithmetic or science related.

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This is the big one, and no, you can't. Without a college degree, entire career fields are totally inaccessible. And almost without exception, those careers are the only ones that offer a realistic chance for young adults to provide their own children with the standard of living that they were given by their own parents.

The answer is not to further abdicate academia, law, medicine, government, finance, journalism, military leadership, and education to the left.

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No, that statement just isn’t true. The vast majority of people under 30 right now who are actually providing a home and raising families are blue-collar workers, not lawyers or bankers. Skilled trades are carrying that load.

I say that as someone with both military experience and a college degree. Sure, 15 years ago the degree gave me a foot in the door, but all it really did was get me an interview. Once I got hired at a Fortune 500 company, I still had to go through two full years of management training. Nothing I learned in college actually applied. Since then, I’ve racked up nanodegrees and specialized seminars — some even at respected places like Indiana’s Kelley School of Business — but those were targeted programs that had nothing to do with the liberal university system. Obviously, there is project management, lean / six sigma certs I had to get as well, etc etc.

That’s the bigger issue here: universities have turned into gatekeepers, not true educators. Military service, certifications, apprenticeships, and specialized training can all provide the same (or better) foot in the door today. I see more and more upper-management professionals without a degree, because experience and specialized skills now outweigh a generic diploma.

If someone wants to be a lawyer, fine — send them to law school. But there’s no reason they should have to burn four years at LSU checking boxes in irrelevant undergrad classes before they even touch legal training. Break up the gateway, keep the standards. That’s real reform. Blindly defending the current model just props up a broken system.

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I get what you’re saying, but here’s where I push back. I personally know licensed social workers who honestly shouldn’t have graduated high school. On the flip side, I’ve met bartenders with blue hair and septum rings who are somehow credentialed to do marriage counseling.

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so again..admission as well as program standards need to be reformed...we agree here.

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And to your point — formal education ? university. Look at healthcare: doctors in this country have largely been replaced in public trust by nurse practitioners, and their track is about 18 months of specialized education after work, not a decade at a university.

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so you have a problem with NP not having enough education, but you want to do away with...education? not sure where you're going with this. I don't know many people that see a NP as PCP over an MD.

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And if I'm not mistaken there are some places that already have setups that are more similar to that where there are other schools even for very white collar and medical jobs that simply do not require going to sit and Coates Hall on campus and be told that men can be women.

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man this is really off the rails now...I'm not even sure what you're trying to convey here