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How many does are to many?

Posted on 8/31/25 at 7:28 pm
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
20288 posts
Posted on 8/31/25 at 7:28 pm
Looking at cameras and doing inventory if numbers.

This year on our 80 acres (half hardwoods, half hay field) so far we have 9 does, 2 fawns still with spots. These are deer who almost never leave our 80.

I am of the opinion we need to take 2 does minimum. What is everyone elses thoughts?
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
20078 posts
Posted on 8/31/25 at 7:32 pm to
With all respect, 80 acres is not enough to be worried about managing numbers. Shoot what you will eat.
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
3922 posts
Posted on 8/31/25 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

This year on our 80 acres

Do you know how many your neighbors are planning on shooting?
If you walk through your woods and it’s not grazed of a single green leaf up to 5ft off the ground then you have not exceeded your capacity.
Shoot some if you want but don’t blame it on carrying capacity.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2243 posts
Posted on 8/31/25 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

These are deer who almost never leave our 80.

I’m curious how you know this.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2698 posts
Posted on 8/31/25 at 10:11 pm to
Like another said, create a large co-op and everyone work to the same goal. Remember the goal may or may not be what you want, but 80 acres won’t get you jack if the couple thousand acres around you are killing everything that moves or the ones the refuse to kill the doe numbers that need to be killed.

As far as the browse line comment, that is BS. A browse line he described would take you 3-5 years to fix your numbers and it will not be “hunting” during those years. It will be considered more of a killing/extermination, but 80 acres you really aren’t controlling much in that regard. That is why a co-op would be needed by the surrounding land owners/clubs.

Posted by SmoothBox
Member since May 2023
2251 posts
Posted on 8/31/25 at 10:49 pm to
With all due respect, Unless you and all your neighboring 2500+ acres are all on the same page, you’re pissing in the wind trying to manage 80 acres.

quote:

These are deer who almost never leave our 80.


Now how on earth do you know this?
Posted by TidenUP
Coden, AL
Member since Apr 2011
14654 posts
Posted on 8/31/25 at 11:02 pm to
Ask your neighbors how the doe population is looking. Maybe come up with a manageable plan and go with that.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
19314 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:19 am to
With only 80 acres you are at the mercy of surrounding properties. If you are only getting pictures of eleven different deer on 80 acres the answer may very well be zero. And I promise you those deer do leave your property.
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
2896 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:46 am to
Just enjoy your 80 acres. Like the other posts, unless the neighbors are under some kind of management, what you do want really matter. If it were my 80 acres, I’d try to take as many does as bucks per season.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
27003 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 5:17 am to
I don't know but last year we had a group of 9 that stayed together nearly all year, I've never seen that before but they were heck on corn/rice bran.

Like feeding 9 small cows two times a day
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2698 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

I've never seen that before but they were heck on corn/rice bran.


Probably a mom, 1 set of twins, the following years fawn from the mom and then the others are mom’s fawns and the 1st set of twins’ fawns…
When most people see these maternal groups they are a mom, last years fawn/s and a fawn/s from this year.

To get back to your original question is it depends. Here (2,800 acres) the goal is 1 deer per 8 acres. I have plenty of natural food, ag, summer and fall food sources. Most are 1:10 and more. We also try to keep the buck to doe ratio around 1:1.
Last years cam survey put us at roughly 1:1.4 buck to doe ratio and 1:6 ratio on deer to acre ratio. With those ratios we killed 124 deer (33 bucks & 91 does). Depending on the cam survey in a couple weeks, we very well could have to kill just as many.
That is an example of this property. I don’t have hay fields where deer can’t survive year round. It all depends on surrounding habitat and what it can hold and not “negatively” affect the deer that live there.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94559 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:22 pm to
FFS man - does this year mean deer next year. Do you want more trophy bucks? You need does to birth them.

Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
19314 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 8:01 pm to
If you are really killing 90 does a year on 2800 acres you will be saving a ton of money on deer feed and batteries for trail cams in a few years.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2698 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:02 pm to
Not really. That is barely reducing the herd numbers.
Have a WMA that is next door that is over 4,000 acres that isn’t killing enough deer and then all the local farmers that don’t kill enough deer either. Complain about berms getting damaged but have only shot 3 deer over the last 5 years.
Have killed over 200 in the last two seasons
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
19314 posts
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:33 am to
History is a good teacher. For 40 years the state of Alabama preached that killing a doe was a mortal sin. Many places became over run with them. So then the state said kill does. You could sign up for DMP and a biologist would tell you how many does to shoot. It was often one doe per 20 to 40 acres.

The first few years were fun and easy. Then by year three many hunting clubs were seeing less deer. They killed the recommended does any way. In year four it became really hard, they had to shoot almost every doe or doe group they saw. But they killed the recommended number. The next year they again killed everyone they saw. But they came up a few short. The biologists told them to keep shooting. And they did. They saw fewer and fewer deer. And all along the way 10-20% of the does they killed were actually buttonheads. By year ten, you wouldn’t even see a deer most hunts at many of these DMP clubs.

Fast forward thirty to forty years and many of those places still don’t have as many deer as they would like because of the increased predation from skyrocketing numbers of coyotes and hogs which they used to not have.

If you do keep killing 100 does per year off of 2800 acres let us know in 5 years how many deer you are seeing compared to before you started killing them.

Now a few biologists theorize that with increased predation and increasing mortality from disease (EHD and CWD) some areas have populations so low they won’t ever recover to prior levels in our lifetime.

Add to that the number of people who have bought their own 10-80 acres and moved to the country, each one feeling they should be able to kill multiple does off their property (sometimes legally, sometimes out the window under the bug light) and it is a tough life for does a lot of places.
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