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The control catch rule started with the Dez Bryant play. I’ve been told that’s a catch.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:23 pm
For years now. We’ve been conditioned to think if the ball is not dropped or the ground does not aid in the catch. Then it’s a catch.
Forget that he had possession as he hit the pylon. NCAA rules say that is an immediate TD.
Also frick that ref for calling it down on the 1 inch line.
In real time. I thought they were reviewing if it was a TD instead of out of bounds at the 1. Did not think they were reviewing whether he caught it or not.
the ref calls it a catch live. But it was actually a TD. They review it and take both away.
Forget that he had possession as he hit the pylon. NCAA rules say that is an immediate TD.
Also frick that ref for calling it down on the 1 inch line.
In real time. I thought they were reviewing if it was a TD instead of out of bounds at the 1. Did not think they were reviewing whether he caught it or not.
the ref calls it a catch live. But it was actually a TD. They review it and take both away.
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Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:29 pm to Mouth
I’m a Cowboys fan and still pissed off about the Dez catch.
QB throws ball, the receiver catches ball, ball never hits the ground, not a catch.
Here we are 15 years later and still no one knows what a catch is.
QB throws ball, the receiver catches ball, ball never hits the ground, not a catch.
Here we are 15 years later and still no one knows what a catch is.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:34 pm to Mouth
There has to be some consideration towards complete control before a football move is made to get more yards regardless of whether you control it 100% through contact with ground. Maybe just maybe, whether something is a catch or not cant be written in black and white terms.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:34 pm to Mouth
That's a catch regardless of fan affiliation. How do you explain what the frick a catch is to a non football fan if that isn't a catch?
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:49 pm to Pendulum
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There has to be some consideration towards complete control before a football move is made to get more yards regardless of whether you control it 100% through contact with ground. Maybe just maybe, whether something is a catch or not cant be written in black and white terms.
I would definitely consider this argument if he didn’t score. He crossed the plain and hit the pylon with the ball secure.
Then fell to the ground and his arm hit the ground first, not the ball. The ball moves and did touch turf but that didn’t aid in him regaining control. and not dropping it.
Per the NCAA
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A touchdown is scored when:
Possession of the ball breaks the plane of the goal line:
A player with a live ball in their possession touches the ground in the opponent's end zone, or the ball itself breaks the plane of the goal line.
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Pylons are at the corners of the end zone. A ball that hits a pylon while in possession of a player is treated as if it has broken the plane of the goal line.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:06 pm to Mouth
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The control catch rule started with the Dez Bryant play
Actually...it started with Calvin Johnson vs the Bears.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:07 pm to Mouth
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Forget that he had possession as he hit the pylon. NCAA rules say that is an immediate TD.
Yes, the NCAA rules DO say that, but they also define possession and the replay refs determined he DID NOT have possession.
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Also, frick the ref for calling it down
The ref was about six feet away and having to determine if the one-handed catch was made and if he held onto it. I think he can be forgiven for not knowing the exact spot.
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We’ve been conditioned to think that if the ball is not dropped or the ground does not aid a catch, then it is a catch.
It hasn’t been like that for years. They introduced all kinds of rules about surviving impact with the ground, etc.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:40 pm to JodyPlauche
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Actually...it started with Calvin Johnson vs the Bears.
Incorrect.
That Megateon TD was discussed a lot after the Dez Bryant play. The rule was finally re-written bc of Calvin Johnson.
The first time the new rule was called in n an actual game was on Dez Bryant.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:44 pm to Penrod
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Yes, the NCAA rules DO say that, but they also define possession and the replay refs determined he DID NOT have possession.
But he did. That’s my point.
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The ref was about six feet away and having to determine if the one-handed catch was made and if he held onto it. I think he can be forgiven for not knowing the exact spot.
Forgiven??
Brown had both feet in bounds and the first thing he made contact with was the pylon. It was an egregious call.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:45 pm to Mouth
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:47 pm to Mouth
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A touchdown is scored when: Possession of the ball breaks the plane of the goal line: A player with a live ball in their possession touches the ground in the opponent's end zone, or the ball itself breaks the plane of the goal line.
Not relevant if he didn’t catch the ball, which per the rule, he didn’t.
So if he didn’t catch it it’s not a TD.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:04 pm to Mouth
The call by the referee was obviously that the catch was made because he ruled him oob, which is incompetence fully on display by an SEC official. So if the catch is made before crossing the end line then when the runner with the ball crosses the goal line, it is a TD. The ultimate call was incorrect.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:11 pm to Pendulum
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There has to be some consideration towards complete control before a football move is made to get more yards regardless of whether you control it 100% through contact with ground. Maybe just maybe, whether something is a catch or not cant be written in black and white terms.
The NCAA rule does not address the issue of when a catch is made and the player becoming a runner. It simply says that in the field of play or the EZ the receiver must maintain control of the ball when he contacts the ground in the process of the catch.
My point is that most people on here including me believe that Brown had secured the catch and advanced the ball across the goal line and hit the ground as a result of the attempted tackle and not as a result of the attempted catch or the defense of the said catch. Brown hit the ground 4 yds past where he initially caught the ball.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:13 pm to Mouth
I agree that was a score. The refs are overthinking this stuff now. Just fcukin silly
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:14 pm to Fun Bunch
The real question in that screenshot is if the field helped him maintain possession. He has his hand under the ball and pinned against his face mask.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:15 pm to Mouth
Ball was loose when he hit the ground, LSU won…wtf are we talking about
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:24 pm to Penrod
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but they also define possession and the replay refs determined he DID NOT have possession.
He had possession as he entered the end zone on his feet. How hard is this?
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:34 pm to GetmorewithLes
The ball was secure when his right foot was down, beginning the process of a catch. He stepped over the pylon, left foot out of bounds. As he stepped into the end zone the defender pushed him, sending him to the ground (after securing the ball and advancing to the end zone).
If you take a step AFTER securing the ball, then you didn’t fall in the process of the catch. The ball did not shift from the time it was secured and his right foot went down. At that point, Brown is out of bounds with his first step after securing the ball. That’s a touchdown.
If the ball shifted prior to getting into the end zone, then it would not have been a catch. This was clearly a catch, and the uproar is warranted. Glad it didn’t alter the outcome.
If you take a step AFTER securing the ball, then you didn’t fall in the process of the catch. The ball did not shift from the time it was secured and his right foot went down. At that point, Brown is out of bounds with his first step after securing the ball. That’s a touchdown.
If the ball shifted prior to getting into the end zone, then it would not have been a catch. This was clearly a catch, and the uproar is warranted. Glad it didn’t alter the outcome.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:34 pm to Pendulum
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Maybe just maybe, whether something is a catch or not cant be written in black and white terms.
If something such as a catch or no catch is reviewable, it better be written in black and white terms. It used to be as simple as player with possession with at least 1 foot in bounds.
Subjective calls such as pass interference should not be reviewable.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 6:43 pm to inthebr
It’s been maintaining control throughout the process (falling to the ground) for a while now
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