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Outside Counsel (lawyers) billing for service is so ridiculous
Posted on 8/22/25 at 8:59 am
Posted on 8/22/25 at 8:59 am
Anybody else manage their companies outside counsel?
The scam (law firm they call it) they run is ludicrous. I can't tell you how many times I see a relatively "simple" question that they for sure already know the answer to turning into a 3+ hour billed topic and turn into a $1,800 answer. Because you know...the staff attorney has to review the email...then send it to the junior attorney to "research" and then his answer has to be sent back up the the staff attorney and then reviewed by the partner before sending it back and VOILA just like that all three guys got billable hours on the engagement. Crooks
The scam (law firm they call it) they run is ludicrous. I can't tell you how many times I see a relatively "simple" question that they for sure already know the answer to turning into a 3+ hour billed topic and turn into a $1,800 answer. Because you know...the staff attorney has to review the email...then send it to the junior attorney to "research" and then his answer has to be sent back up the the staff attorney and then reviewed by the partner before sending it back and VOILA just like that all three guys got billable hours on the engagement. Crooks
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:01 am to sidewalkside
Niche rant.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:01 am to sidewalkside
Mitigating risk ain't cheap bro
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:01 am to sidewalkside
Don't approve the invoice 
Feels pretty simple
Feels pretty simplePosted on 8/22/25 at 9:05 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Lnchbox can't figure his way out of a lunchbox with his reasoning and logical repercussions assessment.
Don't approve the invoice Feels pretty simple
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:06 am to sidewalkside
Why do they bother asking legal questions of a lawyer?
Don't they know that they can get those answers for free on Tigerdroppings?
Don't they know that they can get those answers for free on Tigerdroppings?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:07 am to sidewalkside
You should implement a “discount” billing policy where you pay lower fees but the answer will be more like “we think that’s the answer but aren’t sure or legally obligated to be correct.”
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:11 am to sidewalkside
If you only rely on off-the-cuff advice without confirmation that it is, in fact, correct and current, you're facing a ticking time bomb.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:11 am to sidewalkside
Not all lawyers or firms conduct business that way.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:11 am to sidewalkside
They had to pay for malpractice insurance to stay in business and be able to give you the opinion you sought, on which you will presumably rely, and for which you would certainly sue them if their mistake cost you money.
If you want free advice, ask your questions here on TD.
If you want free advice, ask your questions here on TD.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:12 am to sidewalkside
quote:
I can't tell you how many times I see a relatively "simple" question that they for sure already know the answer to turning into a 3+ hour billed topic and turn into a $1,800 answer.
If they fly by night and give you an answer they’re “almost positive” is correct, it’s not, and then you sue them, they’re boned.
Even for things I know the answer to, I still pull and provide the statutory support, which takes time
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:12 am to sidewalkside
Up there are management consultants.
In 30+ years, have seen my company pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to have our business and its information turned into slick / flashy story and fed back to us.
Shampoo, rinse & repeat.
Not them. Us. We allowed that.
Stupid.
In 30+ years, have seen my company pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to have our business and its information turned into slick / flashy story and fed back to us.
Shampoo, rinse & repeat.
Not them. Us. We allowed that.
Stupid.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:13 am to sidewalkside
quote:
Lnchbox can't figure his way out of a lunchbox with his reasoning and logical repercussions assessment.
Says the guy that apparently paid $1800 for a simple question
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:14 am to LNCHBOX
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Says the guy that apparently paid $1800 for a simple question
That’s cheap
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:14 am to sidewalkside
A buddy of mine went in-house with a service company years ago.
First day on the job, the CEO walks in with this incredibly complex regulatory question.
My boy says, “I’ll look at it and get back to you.”
His response was met with a startled stare. The CEO then said:
“Mike, we hired the caterer and they brought the food. We hired transport and they brought the truck. When we hired you, we thought you were bringing the law. Where is it?”
First day on the job, the CEO walks in with this incredibly complex regulatory question.
My boy says, “I’ll look at it and get back to you.”
His response was met with a startled stare. The CEO then said:
“Mike, we hired the caterer and they brought the food. We hired transport and they brought the truck. When we hired you, we thought you were bringing the law. Where is it?”
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:15 am to sidewalkside
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VOILA
Nah, you don't need outside counsel
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:16 am to RanchoLaPuerto
quote:
“Mike, we hired the caterer and they brought the food. We hired transport and they brought the truck. When we hired you, we thought you were bringing the law. Where is it?”
Where did you read this made up story? Or was it in a movie?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:16 am to sidewalkside
Consulting is the same way.
I used to see if I could bill 4 hours to a client for 10 minutes worth of work all the time.
Most of the time, they paid without questioning anything.
Now I'm on the other side of the table, I can see through their invoices pretty easily, but I know the game, and my company makes billions, so who cares.
Invoice approved.
I used to see if I could bill 4 hours to a client for 10 minutes worth of work all the time.
Most of the time, they paid without questioning anything.
Now I'm on the other side of the table, I can see through their invoices pretty easily, but I know the game, and my company makes billions, so who cares.
Invoice approved.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:17 am to RanchoLaPuerto
That sounds like a startlingly ignorant CEO with no grasp of his field
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:18 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Yeah it sounds like something from a movie
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