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Utah passes bill to cut "useless" college degrees at state universities.

Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:35 am
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:35 am
Based on a legislative audit. Consequently the University of Utah cuts 81 "degrees" access a wide range of fields, such as humanities, fine arts, engineering, science, and business. The catch? Each of the programs graduated at most one student over the past eight years. The savings? Up to $19.6 million taxpayer dollars.

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This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 7:37 am
Posted by supadave3
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:37 am to
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$19.6 taxpayer dollars.


So 20 bucks?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:37 am to
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So 20 bucks?


Oops. Missed a few zeros. Fixed.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:39 am to
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Utah passes bill to cut "useless" college degrees at state universities


100% support.

Publicly funded schools should teach condensed curriculums focused on trades and streamlined stem classes.

If you want to major in anything from social sciences to gender studies or whatever else you can go to a private school. The states shouldn’t be funding those things.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:39 am to
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"useless" college degrees


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engineering, science, and business.


hm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:40 am to
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If you want to major in anything from social sciences to gender studies or whatever else you can go to a private school. The states shouldn’t be funding those things


That's actually a brilliant take.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:40 am to
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Publicly funded schools should teach condensed curriculums focused on trades and streamlined stem classes.

What?

Then they're not universities anymore and they're trade schools.

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If you want to major in anything from social sciences to gender studies or whatever else you can go to a private school. The states shouldn’t be funding those things.

So silly
Posted by BR Tiger
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:42 am to
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"useless" college degrees

engineering, science, and business.

hm


Those are schools where the “useless” degrees are housed. They aren’t cutting business administration or mechanical engineering degrees.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:44 am to
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engineering, science, and business.


Here a LINK to the complete list.



Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:45 am to
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business administration


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“useless” degree


Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:45 am to
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The savings? Up to $19.6 million taxpayer dollars.

You misread.
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Earlier this year, Utah lawmakers cut 10% from the instruction budgets for each of the state’s eight public colleges, The Salt Lake Tribune reported. The cuts amounted to $60.5 million, with University of Utah facing the largest budget reduction of $19.6 million.
To reclaim the funding, the legislation orders colleges to craft three-year plans for cutting certain academic programs and administrative expenses and redirecting the money to high-demand programs.


Unless the universities are firing professors, I’m not sure how much money this will actually save. “Degree programs” don’t cost anything in a vacuum; it’s just a list of course people are required to take to get a particular degree. You can get rid of the list, or even some of the courses, but you’re not saving money unless you get rid of professors and don’t replace them.

Eta: Unless the schools have massive bloated administrations that have dozens of “presidents” over different “colleges”, but that’s a vastly larger issue than “useless degrees”.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 7:47 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:49 am to
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They aren’t cutting business administration or mechanical engineering degrees.


They are, but most are graduate level
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:53 am to
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graduated at most one student over the past eight years

I appreciate that the cuts are data driven and have nothing to do with subjective criteria.

Looks like most of the programs cut are duplicate or have much more popular alternatives, like the M.En degrees in engineering vs the typical M.S.

Why did Utah have such a broad range of Middle Eastern Studies degrees?

Eta: wrong word used. Meant Subjective criteria.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 9:26 am
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:00 am to
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You can get rid of the list, or even some of the courses, but you’re not saving money unless you get rid of professors and don’t replace them.


When an instructor gets assigned to teach two students in a grad program that means that same instructor is not teaching 100 students in an undergrad course. So the school is losing revenue. This is why grad programs are generally money losers and TAs and RAs are typically financed via grants.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:03 am to
Real discussion needs to be had about what a university is supposed to be now. Or whether they should differ between private and public ones.

A trade school?

A free jobs training program that companies don't have to pay for and offload onto taxpayers?

A home for research and academic exploration?

What are we doing here?

I don't subscribe that things such as philosophy for example have no societal value.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 8:09 am
Posted by jizzle6609
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:15 am to
Utah is always on the grind.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:18 am to
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What? Then they're not universities anymore and they're trade schools.


Ok.

Public schools and universities should be focused on training people for dedicated real world careers that will benefit the public.

Trades, construction, business, engineering, technology, etc…

I cannot find a single compelling argument for why a public tax funded university should offer a degree in history or philosophy or gender studies or politics or “general studies” or art.

Do you have an argument for why those things in 2025 America should be government funded and taught as a main course of instruction?
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 8:19 am
Posted by Crowknowsbest
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:21 am to
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I don't subscribe that things such as philosophy for example have no societal value.

Some people seem to be in a rush to throw the baby out with the bathwater
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:21 am to
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I don't subscribe that things such as philosophy for example have no societal value.


Philosophy and history and art have massive societal value and should be taught and pursued with vigor and discipline by people. But the government should not fund and promote those studies. Often the best philosophy and art comes from people struggling against the government. Often the worst types of philosophy and suppression come from the government itself.

Society has a duty to uphold itself and its standards. A duty we often forget is the responsibility of each individual citizen and mistakenly or lazily hand over to the government. It is not the government’s job to ensure things like art and morals and philosophy are upheld or taught or carried on. It is society itself.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 8:26 am
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:22 am to
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Utah passes bill to cut "useless" college degrees at state universities.


I think this is a mischaracterization of what is happening. An analogy would be Walmart getting rid of a number of SKUs because they don't sell.

from another poster

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Publicly funded schools should teach condensed curriculums focused on trades and streamlined stem classes.


This is almost an elitist view wrapped up in a populist wrapper. It goes back to the old approach where people of wealth gained high quality, well rounded educations and the poor were taught a skill. It also tends to lock the poor into a single career track.

a further poster

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Why did Utah have such a broad range of Middle Eastern Studies degrees?


I would be curious if the growth coincided with GWOT. The need for knowledge and the resulting skills from this type of program often stem from increased trade interaction or war.



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