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Watching 2024 clemson
Posted on 8/8/25 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 10:47 pm
Louisville game first. Others later. This isn't an all-22 breakdown and I'm not going to comment on playcalling because both coordinators are gone.
Yes I know you can cherry pick LSUs losses last season but, I'm just not interested in watching clemson play App St. I'll try to watch other games later.
The obvious: I knew this subconsciously but hadn't really articulated it - Klubnik is a try hard. What I mean is that he doesn't let the game come to him. When he runs, he takes MASSIVE risks and gets popped regularly. It's amazing he hasn't been seriously injured. When he's improvising, he tries to make Manziel miracle passes except his are worse than Manziel's.
Does he make good throws? Sure, plenty. But there are a dozen other QBs that make those throws. I can't at all understand how someone can WATCH Nuss and Klub and think Klub is as good. Not even close. Not even in the 3 late season losses. Go watch the tight window passes. Klub pretty much never completes those throws. He also missed a handful of passes that might have been TDs or at least big gains and the reception was definitely there to be had with a good throw. You pretty much never see Klub throw a receiver open like Nuss does, next level passes.
I've watched him fairly closely since he started and I have never thought he distinguished himself from the best QBs. Close, sure. Nuss' level? No way. Can he improve this season? Sure, it's possible.
I know this is not news but clemson's o line was flat out not good in that game and Louisville's d line is definitely not elite. I know Matt Luke is a good oline coach and maybe they will improve but, they've got a long way to go, just judging from that game.
Clemson's WRs were good against zone, but were blanketed all night against man and Klub had to scramble a lot in that game waiting for someone to get open. They weren't elite making contested catches and they weren't exciting after the catch. Wesco does look like a legit SEC wideout. The rest in that game, meh.
Clemson's dline got gashed all night and again, Louisville does not have an elite oline. Woodaz made some plays. He's solid but didn't jump off the screen in that game (White, Queen, Whit).
Clemson's DBs were unimpressive. Louisville's WRs were open a good bit and even had numerous drops on catchable passes.
Clemson's tackling was inconsistent.
Again, I know I picked one of their worst games of the season but, their low is definitely lower than LSUs from last year.
Side note - with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, Clemson was down 23-7 and the camera showed mass exiting in the stands. The commentators made a point to mention it. Also, Clemson missed an onside kick and fans started throwing things on the field.
Before watching this game, I felt that LSUs oline was going to be asked too much to play against that dline at clemson the first week and that was going to be the main reason for a close loss. I do think watching this game moved the needle just a tad towards LSU for me. I understand things can change from year to year but, I still think LSUs biggest advantage is staff carryover whereas clemson will be breaking in 2 new coordinators. I think 2 new coordinators is a bigger hurdle to jump than just 4 experienced olinemen plus 1 talented younger player trying to get some chemistry against a dline that has a couple of elite players but didn't impress as a unit. Plus I think clemson's baseline is just lower than I thought it was.
It can be said that LSU lost to USC last year but, 25 isn't 24's defense. I get that LSUs d was bad against running QBs but, they didn't have Perkules and I think he makes a least a little difference in that aspect this season. He's absolutely more than a match for Klub.
I'll watch more and see if anything changes my impression after this game.
I added SCAR game later itt
Added SMU
Yes I know you can cherry pick LSUs losses last season but, I'm just not interested in watching clemson play App St. I'll try to watch other games later.
The obvious: I knew this subconsciously but hadn't really articulated it - Klubnik is a try hard. What I mean is that he doesn't let the game come to him. When he runs, he takes MASSIVE risks and gets popped regularly. It's amazing he hasn't been seriously injured. When he's improvising, he tries to make Manziel miracle passes except his are worse than Manziel's.
Does he make good throws? Sure, plenty. But there are a dozen other QBs that make those throws. I can't at all understand how someone can WATCH Nuss and Klub and think Klub is as good. Not even close. Not even in the 3 late season losses. Go watch the tight window passes. Klub pretty much never completes those throws. He also missed a handful of passes that might have been TDs or at least big gains and the reception was definitely there to be had with a good throw. You pretty much never see Klub throw a receiver open like Nuss does, next level passes.
I've watched him fairly closely since he started and I have never thought he distinguished himself from the best QBs. Close, sure. Nuss' level? No way. Can he improve this season? Sure, it's possible.
I know this is not news but clemson's o line was flat out not good in that game and Louisville's d line is definitely not elite. I know Matt Luke is a good oline coach and maybe they will improve but, they've got a long way to go, just judging from that game.
Clemson's WRs were good against zone, but were blanketed all night against man and Klub had to scramble a lot in that game waiting for someone to get open. They weren't elite making contested catches and they weren't exciting after the catch. Wesco does look like a legit SEC wideout. The rest in that game, meh.
Clemson's dline got gashed all night and again, Louisville does not have an elite oline. Woodaz made some plays. He's solid but didn't jump off the screen in that game (White, Queen, Whit).
Clemson's DBs were unimpressive. Louisville's WRs were open a good bit and even had numerous drops on catchable passes.
Clemson's tackling was inconsistent.
Again, I know I picked one of their worst games of the season but, their low is definitely lower than LSUs from last year.
Side note - with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, Clemson was down 23-7 and the camera showed mass exiting in the stands. The commentators made a point to mention it. Also, Clemson missed an onside kick and fans started throwing things on the field.
Before watching this game, I felt that LSUs oline was going to be asked too much to play against that dline at clemson the first week and that was going to be the main reason for a close loss. I do think watching this game moved the needle just a tad towards LSU for me. I understand things can change from year to year but, I still think LSUs biggest advantage is staff carryover whereas clemson will be breaking in 2 new coordinators. I think 2 new coordinators is a bigger hurdle to jump than just 4 experienced olinemen plus 1 talented younger player trying to get some chemistry against a dline that has a couple of elite players but didn't impress as a unit. Plus I think clemson's baseline is just lower than I thought it was.
It can be said that LSU lost to USC last year but, 25 isn't 24's defense. I get that LSUs d was bad against running QBs but, they didn't have Perkules and I think he makes a least a little difference in that aspect this season. He's absolutely more than a match for Klub.
I'll watch more and see if anything changes my impression after this game.
I added SCAR game later itt
Added SMU
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 4:36 pm
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:01 pm to somethingdifferent
Tom Allen is going to fix a lot of the stuff on their d elite coordinator who kids love to play for. Aggressive, lots of zone, gang tackling
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:23 pm to somethingdifferent
You make some good points. I watched a little bit of their 2024 games a few days ago. I 100% agree with you on their dline. We all have heard about the Clemson 1st rounder dline, but man when you watch them they aren’t anything special like some monster dlines that Alabama or Georgia has had recently.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:25 pm to somethingdifferent
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I can't at all understand how someone can WATCH Nuss and Klub and think Klub is as good. Not even close.
Do you think this has anything to do with the fact that you selectively chose to watch Klubnik’s worst game? Do you think if someone watch LSU’s games vs Ole Miss or Texas A&M and Clemson’s game against Texas they would say is way better than Klubnik?
It’s wild that you chose to write up this entire evaluation after choosing to watch their worst game…
Posted on 8/9/25 at 3:51 am to Ampipe96
It is really really difficult to change things in a year
I heard about all these defensive guys they have…they finished lower than LSU last year? LSU had 4 lame duck starters and virtually zero players who will get drafted to make an impact. The ONLY reason we are worried is because we can’t win opening games and it is at Clemson. LSU is more talented. Period
I heard about all these defensive guys they have…they finished lower than LSU last year? LSU had 4 lame duck starters and virtually zero players who will get drafted to make an impact. The ONLY reason we are worried is because we can’t win opening games and it is at Clemson. LSU is more talented. Period
Posted on 8/9/25 at 4:22 am to Ampipe96
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Tom Allen is going to fix a lot of the stuff on their d elite coordinator who kids love to play for.
maybe so, but there will be growing pains
Posted on 8/9/25 at 4:24 am to LSBoosie
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It’s wild that you chose to write up this entire evaluation after choosing to watch their worst game…
yall done done it now, you pissed boosie off. He has been making the tours praising Clemson and shitting on LSU. You have tried to counter his agenda and he don't like it.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:47 am to somethingdifferent
Clemson are ACC peasants and LSU is going to roll them.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:03 am to somethingdifferent
Point taken about Tom Allen. We'll see if there are any growing pains in his first year as DC at Clemson, although he did pretty well in year 1 at Peen State
Their OC is not new at all though. This will be Garrett Riley's 3rd season at Clemson
Their OC is not new at all though. This will be Garrett Riley's 3rd season at Clemson
Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:19 am to somethingdifferent
I keep going back to this stat: Clemson's rushing yards allowed per game last year ranked 83rd in FBS. There hasn't been a Defensive Line in college football history that had 3 1st rounders on the Defensive Line and finished 83rd or lower in rushing yards allowed per game.
They are faux. It would show in the stats. Have excellent WRs and QB? It shows in passing yards per game. Burrow, Chase, and JJ led 2019 FBS for a reason. Same for Jayden, Malik, and Brian.
They are faux. It would show in the stats. Have excellent WRs and QB? It shows in passing yards per game. Burrow, Chase, and JJ led 2019 FBS for a reason. Same for Jayden, Malik, and Brian.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:18 am to somethingdifferent
You see alot written about the NFL talent up front on D but their numbers against a schedule that was not really tough at all, are middling.
Now maybe they think it was coaching? Don't they have a new DC this year? Or maybe the talent is top heavy and the top dudes are that good but the rest of the D not all that great?
Now maybe they think it was coaching? Don't they have a new DC this year? Or maybe the talent is top heavy and the top dudes are that good but the rest of the D not all that great?
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:36 am to somethingdifferent
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I can't at all understand how someone can WATCH Nuss and Klub and think Klub is as good. Not even close. Not even in the 3 late season losses. Go watch the tight window passes. Klub pretty much never completes those throws. He also missed a handful of passes that might have been TDs or at least big gains and the reception was definitely there to be had with a good throw. You pretty much never see Klub throw a receiver open like Nuss does, next level passes.
That's a hell of a stretch. Klubnik threw more TDs and fewer picks than Nuss. Their Y/A and Y/C are last season differ by 0.2 yards in Nuss' favor. Klubnik had 463 yards rushing to Nuss' -38.
Do I think Klubnik benefited from an easier schedule and that Nuss is a better overall QB? I do, but I also recognize I may be P&G influenced in that conclusion. But Klubnik is no bum and on the same tier of QBs as Nuss starting this season.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:43 am to LSUButt
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The ONLY reason we are worried is because we can’t win opening games and it is at Clemson.
That’s the only reason?
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:44 am to Mandtgr47
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yall done done it now, you pissed boosie off. He has been making the tours praising Clemson and shitting on LSU. You have tried to counter his agenda and he don't like it.
Huh? Can you explain further and give specific examples? I’m on record saying I think LSU will be a better team than Clemson by the 2nd half of the season.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 9:48 am
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:48 am to LSBoosie
quote:You must have missed where I said I've watched him quite a bit. Go break down his tight window throws or throwing people open and tell me if he's as good as Nuss was last year. He's not.
you selectively chose to watch Klubnik’s worst game?
quote:If you watch closely the level of throws Nuss is capable of making, sure. Again, in terms of purely passing the football, I didn't judge Klub on that one game.
Do you think if someone watch LSU’s games vs Ole Miss or Texas A&M and Clemson’s game against Texas they would say is way better than Klubnik?
quote:It's like you didn't even read/understand what I said. I commented on this multiple times in the OP
It’s wild that you chose to write up this entire evaluation after choosing to watch their worst game
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:53 am to LSUButt
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It is really really difficult to change things in a year
Imagine some breaking down LSU film in 2018 trying to make projections for 2019.
Analyzing Clemson games from last season is a waste of time. You’re also getting another level of effort in this one as opposed to a mid season conference game against Louisville.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:55 am to Ampipe96
quote:By the first snap of the first game? That pretty much never happens in cfb, where a coordinator walks in and instantly produces an elite unit from a bad one that can overcome an elite opponent in the first game.
Tom Allen is going to fix a lot of the stuff on their d
And plus it's not just one new playcaller, they have a lot to clean up on offense too
And I didn't even mention their special teams. It was bad, both punting/kicking and receiving. They were ok in coverage
There's a lot to "fix"
LSU basically has 2 "weaknesses" - oline chemistry (but experienced players) and DB performance (again, experienced players and coaching continuity). That's not a lot of weakness
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 7:56 am
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:00 am to Tiger Ugly
quote:This is a point I forgot to make in the OP. A deep dive on their roster shows that their top handful of players are elite, SEC level. However, there's a pretty big dropoff after that, especially in the DB room
maybe the talent is top heavy and the top dudes are that good but the rest of the D not all that great
Again, I know LSU lost to USC last year but, that was Baker's first game taking over the historically worst LSU d ever. This is going to be a noticeably different d, Perk is not playing strictly inside, no first year starter at QB. Clemson is returning a lot of key players and they frankly were underwhelming as units (oline, dline, DBs, WRs, etc)
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:04 am to somethingdifferent
If you really pay attention to Clemsons tape last year, we should have the advantage in every position group
This won’t be a close game. They don’t know what’s about to hit them
This won’t be a close game. They don’t know what’s about to hit them
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:08 am to mdomingue
quote:That's why I made a point to look past the stats and look at the quality of throws and on that aspect, I have never though Klub distinguished himself from the other "good" athletic QBs (Dillon Gabriel, Shedeur Sanders, Cam Ward, Jalen Milroe, Drew Allar, John Mateer, etc. Maybe he's slightly more consistently good passing than that list?
Klubnik threw more TDs and fewer picks than Nuss. Their Y/A and Y/C are last season differ by 0.2 yards in Nuss' favor. Klubnik had 463 yards rushing to Nuss' -38
quote:I don't disagree. He's in the top tier of cfb for this season
Klubnik is no bum
quote:Absolutely disagree. I don't think he's capable of consistently making the quality of next level throws that Nuss is and I think it's pretty obvious for anyone who actually watches the throws closely. Better runner? Sure.
on the same tier of QBs as Nuss starting this season
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