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The Fall of Rome
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:25 pm
Rome dominated the Western world for roughly 500 years. The US isn’t Rome and is not destined to fall, but we can learn from history, and still save ourselves. Rome didn’t fall in a day.
It crumbled slowly from within:
• Political chaos - Leadership became more about power than public service
• Corruption
• Massive inequality
• Endless wars
• A divided people
• Loss of shared values
Inflation and debt
Decline in Civic Virtue and Unity
• Citizens grew disconnected from public life.
• Patriotism faded.
• Roman identity was diluted across vast cultures and regions.
Urban Decay and Infrastructure Collapse
• Roads, aqueducts, and buildings fell into disrepair.
• The once-great cities declined as people moved to the countryside.
• Law and order broke down in many regions.
?? Similarities Between the U.S. and Ancient Rome
1. Republican Roots
• Rome: Started as a republic with elected senators and consuls.
• U.S.: Founded as a constitutional republic with elected officials and a Senate.
Both valued law, checks and balances, and civic duty (at least in theory).
2. Global Superpower Status
• Rome: Dominated the Mediterranean world for centuries.
• U.S.: Has been the world’s leading military and economic power since WWII.
?? Both exercised enormous influence over other nations’ politics, economics, and culture.
3. Massive Military Footprint
• Rome: Maintained a vast, expensive military to defend its borders and suppress unrest.
• U.S.: Has over 750 military bases in 80+ countries, with high defense spending.
?? Military overreach and fatigue were major challenges
4. Inequality and Class Tension
• Rome: Huge wealth gap between elites and the poor. Slavery and debt crushed the working class.
• U.S.: Rising inequality, corporate consolidation, and growing dissatisfaction among working and middle classes.
5. Political Division and Dysfunction
• Rome: Civil wars, corrupt leaders, and power-hungry elites crippled the Republic.
• U.S.: Increasing polarization, gridlock, corrupt leaders (Democrats). The lawfare against Trump and the Russiagate scandal.
6. Cultural Decay vs. Cultural Shift
• Rome: Some historians point to moral decay, decadence, or loss of shared values.
• U.S.: Ongoing “culture wars” over national identity, values, and truth.
7. Immigration and Borders
• Rome: Struggled to manage influxes of migrants and incorporate new populations.
• U.S.: the Southern border crises
Rome didn’t fall to outsiders until it had already fallen apart inside.
It crumbled slowly from within:
• Political chaos - Leadership became more about power than public service
• Corruption
• Massive inequality
• Endless wars
• A divided people
• Loss of shared values
Inflation and debt
Decline in Civic Virtue and Unity
• Citizens grew disconnected from public life.
• Patriotism faded.
• Roman identity was diluted across vast cultures and regions.
Urban Decay and Infrastructure Collapse
• Roads, aqueducts, and buildings fell into disrepair.
• The once-great cities declined as people moved to the countryside.
• Law and order broke down in many regions.
?? Similarities Between the U.S. and Ancient Rome
1. Republican Roots
• Rome: Started as a republic with elected senators and consuls.
• U.S.: Founded as a constitutional republic with elected officials and a Senate.
Both valued law, checks and balances, and civic duty (at least in theory).
2. Global Superpower Status
• Rome: Dominated the Mediterranean world for centuries.
• U.S.: Has been the world’s leading military and economic power since WWII.
?? Both exercised enormous influence over other nations’ politics, economics, and culture.
3. Massive Military Footprint
• Rome: Maintained a vast, expensive military to defend its borders and suppress unrest.
• U.S.: Has over 750 military bases in 80+ countries, with high defense spending.
?? Military overreach and fatigue were major challenges
4. Inequality and Class Tension
• Rome: Huge wealth gap between elites and the poor. Slavery and debt crushed the working class.
• U.S.: Rising inequality, corporate consolidation, and growing dissatisfaction among working and middle classes.
5. Political Division and Dysfunction
• Rome: Civil wars, corrupt leaders, and power-hungry elites crippled the Republic.
• U.S.: Increasing polarization, gridlock, corrupt leaders (Democrats). The lawfare against Trump and the Russiagate scandal.
6. Cultural Decay vs. Cultural Shift
• Rome: Some historians point to moral decay, decadence, or loss of shared values.
• U.S.: Ongoing “culture wars” over national identity, values, and truth.
7. Immigration and Borders
• Rome: Struggled to manage influxes of migrants and incorporate new populations.
• U.S.: the Southern border crises
Rome didn’t fall to outsiders until it had already fallen apart inside.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:28 pm to HonCHO
We are here down the same path
Greed
Hubris
No Morality
Wars
We will not lean from the past.
Greed
Hubris
No Morality
Wars
We will not lean from the past.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:29 pm to HonCHO
I think it's important to note the Roman Empire was only successful because the Roman Republic had done most of the conquering already.
Also, small shout out to the Eastern Roman Empire, which only fell in 1453, <40 years before Columbus found the new world.
Also, small shout out to the Eastern Roman Empire, which only fell in 1453, <40 years before Columbus found the new world.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:31 pm to HonCHO
Take your woe is me bullshite and shove it up your arse. Don’t be a fatalist.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:31 pm to HonCHO
@chatGPT now give me 47 reasons why the US of A and ancient Rome are nothing alike
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
Also, small shout out to the Eastern Roman Empire, which only fell in 1453, <40 years before Columbus found the new world.
Make Istanbul Constantinople Again.
MICA
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:34 pm to gizmoflak
quote:
@chatGPT now give me 47 reasons why the US of A and ancient Rome are nothing alike
Right? It’s the obvious use of AI copy pasta for me.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:36 pm to Speckhunter2012
quote:
Make Istanbul Constantinople Again.
I agree. But you are going to have to fight a lot of Muslims to make that happen.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:40 pm to Speckhunter2012
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:40 pm to Speckhunter2012
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:45 pm to HonCHO
Please take 2:36 to watch this video
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:50 pm to Richleau
quote:
Take your woe is me bullshite and shove it up your arse. Don’t be a fatalist.
Those are sonic words
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:50 pm to HonCHO
if you're a an American hater, you would think it is falling
most prosperous country in history.

most prosperous country in history.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:51 pm to Kafka
I watched the vid Kafka, just as you requested. Did he predict what year America would fall?
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:54 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:I wasn't talking to you
I watched the vid Kafka, just as you requested
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:56 pm to HonCHO
You forgot Bread and Circuses: massive welfare.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:56 pm to HonCHO
If you look at the fall of the Republic and not the Empire the parallels are even more striking. The blatantly political use of criminal prosecutions, the hired rioters, even the iconic Patrician becoming the face of the Populares.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:57 pm to Kafka
quote:
I wasn't talking to you
Now Kafka, don't be ugly. That's not who you are. It was a good little vid and I liked it. So did he? Did he predict when the US would fall?
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 8:58 pm
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