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Housing Prices: The Whole Country Is Starting to Look Like California

Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:49 am
Posted by hikingfan
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:49 am
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Something is happening in the housing market that really shouldn’t be. Everyone familiar with America’s affordability crisis knows that it is most acute in ultra-progressive coastal cities in heavily Democratic states. And yet, home prices have been rising most sharply in the exact places that have long served as a refuge for Americans fed up with the spiraling cost of living. Over the past decade, the median home price has increased by 134 percent in Phoenix, 133 percent in Miami, 129 percent in Atlanta, and 99 percent in Dallas. (Over that same stretch, prices in New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles have increased by about 75 percent, 76 percent, and 97 percent, respectively).

This trend could prove disastrous. For much of the past half century, suburban sprawl across the Sun Belt was a kind of pressure-release valve for the housing market. People who couldn’t afford to live in expensive cities had other, cheaper places to go. Now even the affordable alternatives are on track to become out of reach for a critical mass of Americans.

The Sun Belt, in short, is subject to the same antidevelopment forces as the coasts; it just took longer to trigger them. Cities in the South and Southwest have portrayed themselves as business-friendly, pro-growth metros. In reality, their land-use laws aren’t so different from those in blue-state cities. According to a 2018 research paper, co-authored by Gyourko, that surveyed 44 major U.S. metro areas, land-use regulations in Miami and Phoenix both ranked in the top 10 most restrictive (just behind Washington, D.C., and L.A. and ahead of Boston), and Dallas and Nashville were in the top 25. Because the survey is based on responses from local governments, it might understate just how bad zoning in the Sun Belt is. “When I first opened up the zoning code for Atlanta, I almost spit out my coffee,” Alex Armlovich, a senior housing-policy analyst at the Niskanen Center, a centrist think tank, told me. “It’s almost identical to L.A. in the 1990s.”

These restrictive rules weren’t a problem back when Sun Belt cities could expand by building new single-family homes at their exurban fringes indefinitely. That kind of development is less likely to be subject to zoning laws; even when it is, obtaining exceptions to those laws is relatively easy because neighbors who might oppose new development don’t exist yet. Recently, however, many Sun Belt cities have begun hitting limits to their outward sprawl, either because they’ve run into natural obstacles (such as the Everglades in Miami and tribal lands near Phoenix) or because they’ve already expanded to the edge of reasonable commute distances (as appears to be the case in Atlanta and Dallas). To keep growing, these cities will have to find ways to increase the density of their existing urban cores and suburbs. That is a much more difficult proposition. “This is exactly what happened in many coastal cities in the 1980s and ’90s,” Armlovich told me. “Once you run out of room to sprawl, suddenly your zoning code starts becoming a real limitation.”


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Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:53 am to
Fixing the housing crisis is as simple as building a high speed rail network across the country. That BBB should be ripped apart with its only focus on high speed rail. Massive economic development and you could live 2 hours outside of major cities (by car and not including traffic) and get to work in less than half an hour.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 1:56 am
Posted by hikingfan
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:57 am to
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For folks that don't want to read a long form article, here’s a 10-point summary of the Atlantic article from ChatGPT:

• Sun Belt housing prices have soared: Over the past decade, cities like Phoenix (+134 %), Miami (+133 %), Atlanta (+129 %), and Dallas (+99 %) have seen price increases rivaling or even surpassing traditionally expensive coastal cities

• Loss of the “affordable alternative”: These Sun Belt metros were once outlets for Americans priced out of coastal cities—but that escape valve is disappearing

• Regulations and NIMBYism are taking hold: Despite perceptions of looser zoning, Sun Belt cities face restrictive land-use rules and rising local opposition to new development

• Development boom has slowed drastically: Research by Glaeser and Gyourko shows that homebuilding rates in Sun Belt metros have dropped by more than half in 25 years

• Demand remains strong: Even with surging demand, pandemic-era migration and remote work haven’t triggered sufficient building due to regulatory roadblocks

• Not just industry or cost issues: While builder consolidation and rising construction costs exist, they don’t fully explain the supply-restricted growth—there remains profit incentive if only zoning allowed

• Sprawl limits reached: Physical boundaries (Everglades, tribal lands) and long commutes are curbing exurban sprawl, forcing growth into tighter spaces controlled by restrictive codes

• Rising affluence fuels NIMBYism: As Sun Belt populations grow wealthier and more educated, they’re more likely to resist development through zoning and regulations

• A coast-like future is looming: If unchecked, many Sun Belt cities may face housing crises as severe as those in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York within 20 years

• Promising reforms emerging: Raleigh’s multifamily zoning reforms led to a 60 % jump in housing starts and slower rent growth. In Texas, legislation is reducing lot sizes, curbing veto powers, and allowing mixed-use construction on commercial land

These bullets outline how Sun Belt cities are increasingly mirroring their coastal counterparts in housing affordability challenges—but also highlight potential policy fixes already underway.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 1:59 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16575 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:41 am to
I understand the concern, but I remain a bit skeptical. Note the cities mentioned. Old reliables like NY and LA. The newer cities, but the somewhat cool one's (lately) like Phoenix, Dallas

But is there really a housing crisis in Pittsburgh? In Milwaukee? Miami might have one, but what about Jacksonville? Birmingham Ala?

It seems like the housing crisis is always in the places young hip twenty somethings want to live, or newlyweds with a kid or two. Doesn't ever seem to be a housing crisis in Akron Ohio or Buffalo NY.

Second thing, if there is really this crisis, where are all the illegal immigrants living? They come here with very little but somehow figure out finding a place to live, it's not like most are homeless (for the most part).
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 2:44 am
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 3:20 am to
You nailed it. Milwaukee was INSANELY cheap. Cool and fun city, too
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 3:21 am
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
2289 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 3:46 am to
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You nailed it. Milwaukee was INSANELY cheap. Cool and fun city, too
but Milwaukee doesn’t have many corporate jobs….
Posted by mike4lsu
Baton Rouge,LA
Member since Sep 2005
2045 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 3:52 am to
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Housing Prices: The Whole Country Is Starting to Look Like California


Fear now......help is on the way.

President Donald J. Trump is an economic genius who build a billion dollar business from scratch and he is just getting started.

His Big Beautiful Bill (BBB), the tax cuts and the combination of tariffs will fix all the problems.

1. Tariffs will offset revenue lost from the tax cuts due to the BBB.

2. BBB will throw out all the illegals from medicare, medicade and social security and slash waste fraud and abuse,

3. The extra funding for ICE in BBB will deport all 11 million illegals and crime will drop 99%.

4. With crime dropping, so will drug abuse and with therapy all drug abusers will become productive citizens.

5. Foreign investments will rush into the US through firehoses (like evidence from the 2020 election fraud ) because it will be cheaper to make at home than import.

6. Not only will we make everything at home but our exports to the world will go up 5 fold.

7. BBB will create millions of high paying high tech manufacturing jobs.

8. Wages will rise, productivity will increase because of AI and robotics and quality of home grown products will improve.

9. With increased US productivity GDP growth will be skyrocket while keeping inflation in check.

10. With economic growth will come massive tax revenues with which we will be able to modernize our military and obliterate debt (like the Iranian nuclear program).

11. The new fed chair (appointed next year) will lower interest rate to less that 1% and housing will become affordable again.


All we need is the BBB to pass and trust the President on tariffs and the trade deals he negotiates.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16575 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 3:55 am to
But if you get a corporate job in NY at, say Colgate-Palmolive, then you probably will be able to afford the nice house.

If you want to bartend or be an artist or a writer, it might be best to do that in Baltimore not Boston for example.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17061 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 4:29 am to
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Fixing the housing crisis is as simple as building a high speed rail network across the country. That BBB should be ripped apart with its only focus on high speed rail. Massive economic development and you could live 2 hours outside of major cities (by car and not including traffic) and get to work in less than half an hour.


Have you ever lived in a city? Or used public transportation?
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
2289 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 4:32 am to
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Have you ever lived in a city? Or used public transportation?
NY for a few years. It’s shite, but if Japan can do it, so can we? Might have to kill the unions first.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17061 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 4:39 am to
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NY for a few years. It’s shite, but if Japan can do it, so can we? Might have to kill the unions first.


The unions are a part of the issue. However there is a much bigger issue at hand. An issue that not only ruins any prospect of people using public transportation, it also drives most of the real estate market in the country. I wish we could have high speed rail, and other means of public transportation.
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
2289 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 4:40 am to
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Fear now......help is on the way. President Donald J. Trump is an economic genius who build a billion dollar business from scratch and he is just getting started. His Big Beautiful Bill (BBB), the tax cuts and the combination of tariffs will fix all the problems.


I take it you don’t have an Econ degree?
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72834 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:05 am to
So housing prices escalate greater in the cities where opportunity is and people want to live?

Move to Ames, Iowa or Wheeling, WV if you want affordable housing folks.

Supply & demand + location = real estate prices

Mercy.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17618 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:07 am to
Man made issue.

Women went to work.

Divorce rate highest it’s ever been.

Do the math yourself.

Oh, yall should tell the wives living for other people will set you back financially.

Save your money people. Good luck out there.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 5:10 am
Posted by Stealth Matrix
29°59'55.98"N 90°05'21.85"W
Member since Aug 2019
10955 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:27 am to
"Just live in the middle of nowhere, bro."
Posted by jscrims
Lost
Member since May 2008
3751 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:33 am to
Why this has so many downvotes is baffling. A high speed rail system in this country would change it dramatically but we are too stupid and economically irresponsible to improve the infrastructure of this country. Instead let’s argue about everything else.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27814 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:33 am to
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if there is really this crisis, where are all the illegal immigrants living? They come here with very little but somehow figure out finding a place to live


Nailed it. The article states the problem of affordability is in major democratic cities. Happens to be the same places that are advocating for illegals.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80089 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:33 am to
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Fixing the housing crisis is as simple as building a high speed


Or telecommute using high speed Internet.
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
15808 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:39 am to
Simple fix…people stop overpaying for things. People don’t buy, prices come down. Unfortunately most Americans are spoiled rotten and as selfish/entitled as they come.
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
5035 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 6:15 am to
In Houston, people are paying $1M+ for 1500 sqft bungalows in the heights.

It’s insane.
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