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The First Council of Nicaea came to an end 1,700 years ago this week...
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:28 pm
This council, which was presided over by the Emperor Constantine, had historic implications for the history of western civilization going forward. It focused on several major issues:
1. The Arian Controversy
An Alexandrian priest named Arius had been teaching that Christ, while the son of God, was a created being, subordinate to the Father. His bishop (Alexander) argued that Christ was fully divine and co-eternal with the Father. The Council almost universally sided with Alexander and Arius's teachings were condemned as heresy.
2. The Nicene Creed
The decision in regards to the Arian Controversy brought with it the Nicene Creed. This creed stated that God the Father and God the Son were homousios ("of the same substance"), fully divine and eternal. Those few who refused to sign their name to the creed were later exiled, but brought back into the fold a few years later - to disastrous results.
3. The Date of Easter
Next, the Council of Nicaea tackled the dating of Easter, which had been done differently throughout the Roman Empire. Here they tried to bring everyone to within standards. They decreed that Easter should be celebrated independently of the Jewish Passover, on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the spring equinox. They effectively endorsed the Alexandrian method of calculation, but full standardization took several more decades.
4. The Meletian Schism
This controversy centered around what to do with lapsed Christians who had fallen away from the faith during the Diocletian persecutions and now sought re-admittance into the fold. The council showed leniency to those who strayed and erred during those dark years.
5. Administrative and Disciplinary Canons
The Council issued 20 canons (church laws), which addressed things such as self-castration, handling disputes among clergy, and the ranking of bishops.
6. The Role of the Roman and Alexandrian Patriarchates
While not the main agenda, the council implicitly acknowledged the special roles of certain sees. Rome was given the "primacy of honor," but it would be sometime before the supremacy of the papacy would become full defined. Alexandria and Antioch were seen as major centers of Christianity while Jerusalem was given special honors (though still under the metropolitan bishop of Caesarea at that time).
1. The Arian Controversy
An Alexandrian priest named Arius had been teaching that Christ, while the son of God, was a created being, subordinate to the Father. His bishop (Alexander) argued that Christ was fully divine and co-eternal with the Father. The Council almost universally sided with Alexander and Arius's teachings were condemned as heresy.
2. The Nicene Creed
The decision in regards to the Arian Controversy brought with it the Nicene Creed. This creed stated that God the Father and God the Son were homousios ("of the same substance"), fully divine and eternal. Those few who refused to sign their name to the creed were later exiled, but brought back into the fold a few years later - to disastrous results.
3. The Date of Easter
Next, the Council of Nicaea tackled the dating of Easter, which had been done differently throughout the Roman Empire. Here they tried to bring everyone to within standards. They decreed that Easter should be celebrated independently of the Jewish Passover, on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the spring equinox. They effectively endorsed the Alexandrian method of calculation, but full standardization took several more decades.
4. The Meletian Schism
This controversy centered around what to do with lapsed Christians who had fallen away from the faith during the Diocletian persecutions and now sought re-admittance into the fold. The council showed leniency to those who strayed and erred during those dark years.
5. Administrative and Disciplinary Canons
The Council issued 20 canons (church laws), which addressed things such as self-castration, handling disputes among clergy, and the ranking of bishops.
6. The Role of the Roman and Alexandrian Patriarchates
While not the main agenda, the council implicitly acknowledged the special roles of certain sees. Rome was given the "primacy of honor," but it would be sometime before the supremacy of the papacy would become full defined. Alexandria and Antioch were seen as major centers of Christianity while Jerusalem was given special honors (though still under the metropolitan bishop of Caesarea at that time).
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:31 pm to RollTide1987
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An Alexandrian priest named Arius
That dude owes me 20 dollars……
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:31 pm to RollTide1987
I remember
Stout started a thread on it, linking an X post, and Slo kept it going until 329 AD
And I posted a B&W pic about it
Stout started a thread on it, linking an X post, and Slo kept it going until 329 AD
And I posted a B&W pic about it
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:33 pm to Kafka
quote:
remember
Stout started a thread on it, linking an X post, and Slo kept it going until 329 AD
Was PeeJ there?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:36 pm to RollTide1987
An Alexandrian priest named Arius
Whose actions were seldom nefarious
Said "We must agree
On what is to be
Or this controversy will bury us".
Whose actions were seldom nefarious
Said "We must agree
On what is to be
Or this controversy will bury us".
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:42 pm to RollTide1987
It’s also well known as the first use of Power Point.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:46 pm to RollTide1987
GreenRockTiger is all of this correct? Care to add or subtract from the statements at hand?
GRT
GRT
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:46 pm to RollTide1987
quote:You know you have problems when the need arises for a policy on this issue.
The Council issued 20 canons (church laws), which addressed things such as self-castration
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:48 pm to TigersHuskers
quote:
Was PeeJ there?
Peej was heard saying, “There’s no way they go with that whole Holy Trinity idea” before he walked out of the council meeting.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:58 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
3. The Date of Easter
Next, the Council of Nicaea tackled the dating of Easter, which had been done differently throughout the Roman Empire. Here they tried to bring everyone to within standards. They decreed that Easter should be celebrated independently of the Jewish Passover, on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the spring equinox. They effectively endorsed the Alexandrian method of calculation, but full standardization took several more decades.
Take a look at the Orthodox calendar; we are still not there.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:02 pm to RollTide1987
Besides the Nicene and Apostles Creeds we also have the Athanasian Creed which we had to recite during our worship service today, since it was Trinity Sunday. *collective internal groan from the pews*
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:05 pm to RollTide1987
Events like this fascinate me. I don’t think most people fully understand the significance. What was decided at that council shaped the Christian faith for thousands of years.
What people believe and fought over for centuries was due to what a bunch of men decided 1,700 years. Events like Pearl Harbor pale in comparison.
Imagine if they would have decided something different. Billions of people faith would be altered
What people believe and fought over for centuries was due to what a bunch of men decided 1,700 years. Events like Pearl Harbor pale in comparison.
Imagine if they would have decided something different. Billions of people faith would be altered
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:13 pm to kciDAtaE
quote:
Events like this fascinate me. I don’t think most people fully understand the significance. What was decided at that council shaped the Christian faith for thousands of years
Agreed. This really is a widely consequential moment.
quote:
An Alexandrian priest named Arius had been teaching that Christ, while the son of God, was a created being, subordinate to the Father. His bishop (Alexander) argued that Christ was fully divine and co-eternal with the Father. The Council almost universally sided with Alexander and Arius's teachings were condemned as heresy.
Like . . . I’m not a religious man but I think if I was around then and asked I would have been team Arius. It kind of makes more sense to me. How the faith would have developed and how the world would be different if this went the other way is fascinating.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:19 pm to RollTide1987
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6. The Role of the Roman and Alexandrian Patriarchates
The true visionaries of tTraffic circle.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:31 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Self castration?
It was left over practice from the Eunuchs who did so in order to serve the ladies without fear of inappropriate behavior.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:34 pm to ned nederlander
I agree with you. What im about to say is not judgmental, more just interesting to me. I was raised Catholic and know a ton of practicing Christians who have never read the Bible.
To me, it’s like saying their entire belief system is not based on scripture but the interpretation of scripture by people they have no knowledge of. And this council encapsulates that in way.
That might be confusing. I have trouble expressing that idea in written form.
To me, it’s like saying their entire belief system is not based on scripture but the interpretation of scripture by people they have no knowledge of. And this council encapsulates that in way.
That might be confusing. I have trouble expressing that idea in written form.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:35 pm to RollTide1987
Those Nicean barks of yore....
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:54 pm to MMauler
And it was 300 years after the birth of Christ. Imagine what people 300 years from now say about 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina…and without recordings. It would be totally wrong or different. Hell we can’t even agree on the moon landing 60 years ago.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:58 pm to ColdDuck
I doubt many if any people will be taking about Katrina in 300 years.
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