Question about bringing in Marines to L.A.

Why would you want the US military to shoot the rioters when none of the civilian police forces are willing to shoot the rioters?

I'm a military guy, and, I say let the civilian LE do their darn jobs. Don't expect my military unit to kill the American citizens when the local cops are barely using any force at all, much less lethal force.

We do not want the US military to be shooting and killing their fellow Americans, just because the local government and local police force are too weak and flaccid to defend themselves and do their job by dispersing the rioters.

And if there's anybody out there who would like to see the US military mow down American citizens with automatic weapons fire, explain why you'd like to see this when the local police are firing only Cheez Puffs to disperse the mobs?

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Most of them are illegals, or illegal adjacent (they got "birthright" citizenship)

They are not fellow Americans. Americans dont wave foreign flags

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How do you know that "most" of them are illegal aliens?

Why do you want US military forces to use automatic weapons fire to kill American citizens when the local civilian police and local civilian govt are willing to use nothing more lethal than Cheez Puffs against these rioters?

If I am a Commander of a military unit, I would not like to see my Soldiers or Marines in combat against American citizens, using automatic weapons to kill my fellow American citizens, whether they be birthright citizens, people who were born to people born in the USA, or whatever.

The job of the US military is not to kill our fellow Americans. We want to kill bad guys overseas. The local government and the local police need to do their jobs, and if there's any killing that needs to happen, the local police should do the killing first. If he local police engage in a firefight with rioters, and are defeated in a firefight with these rioters, and then US military personnel are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm THEN the troops will use deadly force.

Why should I, as a Military Commander, have to put my people in a situation where they are killing American civilian rioters when the local police aren't willing to do that job?

Shooting and killing civilians on US soil is a last resort. Why do you want your US military to be the first government entity to be the FIRST to use that last resort?

We are not the local police. We are not in the business of replacing local government and police when those broke-dicks are too cowardly to do their own killing.

The US military does not want the burden of having to kill civilians on American soil, because its leaders know that this act will, in the long run, harm the reputation of the US military.

I get the impression that many of my fellow Americans want the Marines and Soldiers to open fire on the rioters in order to get them to disperse.

I saw the news video recording of the Marines arriving to protect the federal detention facility and I was very pleased to see the local police using very forceful tactics to repel the rioters away from the arriving Marine convoy.

So, that was a very positive thing to see - the local police there doing their job admirably.

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We do not want the US military to be shooting and killing their fellow Americans


Most of them are illegals, or illegal adjacent (they got "birthright" citizenship)

They are not fellow Americans. Americans dont wave foreign flags

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A lot of them are soy boy white boys. The one in the video who got in the face of the Marine driving the humvee, for example. Also the guy who got hit in the balls by the smoke bomb.

The last thing you want to create in this situation are martyrs.

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Don't expect my military unit to kill the American citizens

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American citizens

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Why would you want the US military to shoot the rioters when none of the civilian police forces are willing to shoot the rioters?

I'm a military guy, and, I say let the civilian LE do their darn jobs. Don't expect my military unit to kill the American citizens when the local cops are barely using any force at all, much less lethal force.

We do not want the US military to be shooting and killing their fellow Americans, just because the local government and local police force are too weak and flaccid to defend themselves and do their job by dispersing the rioters.

And if there's anybody out there who would like to see the US military mow down American citizens with automatic weapons fire, explain why you'd like to see this when the local police are firing only Cheez Puffs to disperse the mobs?

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The national guard was federalized to protect federal property thereby freeing up local (or non-federal) resources, including money and overtime, to deal with the streets.

The Marines are just another federal resource to do the same.

Time is a factor. People wear out. Rotations must be done. Since locals have not put it to bed for over a week, the federalized resources, NG & USMC, will support and relieve each other. Local LEO is fricked; no relief is coming.

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You don't know what your talking about, civil disturbance training is a annual requirement for the Guard, I did for 25 years.

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NG under the Governor's command does Law Enforcement - they are authorized to do that.

But, when Federalized, Posse Comitatus applies, so, LE activities are constrained.

The Active Duty military are at all times federalized under Title 10, so, Posse Comitatus constrains activities. Commanders would rather let the local police do the Law Enforcement, front line stuff. The Title 10 forces are there to protect federal properties and facilities, and if the local police are overwhelmed, the military personnel can defend themselves and the property.

This is the paradigm until such time as POTUS invokes the Insurrection Act.

IMHO, this is the thinking of the Battalion Commanders on the ground right now in L. A.

Of course, state-mobilized NG are trained to do law enforcement and crowd control, but, there are no state-mobilized NG on the ground there in L.A. right now, correct?

Check Grok if you don't believe me.

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I get the impression that many of my fellow Americans want the Marines and Soldiers to open fire on the rioters in order to get them to disperse.

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Oh fo' sho. But we all know they're not really there for that. Just know they *can* be used for that if the shite really hits the fan.

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I saw the news video recording of the Marines arriving to protect the federal detention facility and I was very pleased to see the local police using very forceful tactics to repel the rioters away from the arriving Marine convoy.

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The police are doing it so the Marines aren't forced to do it which would be really horrible for the "protesters".

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Grok is your reference, history is mine.

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Are you aware of the difference in the rules that apply to NG forces under the state Governor's command vs. federalized NG forces that in a federal chain of command that does not include the state Governor?

Because, I get the impression that you do not.

It's important for Commanders on the ground to understand the rules that apply.