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In which wars / engagements were the military ‘fighting for our freedom’?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/3/25 at 8:52 am
We hear this term a lot.
Take out Revolutionary War.
Which other events, had they turned out differently, would have caused the American people to enjoy ‘less freedom’?
Which current activities by our military are protecting our freedom?
The biggest losses of freedom I have observed were all self inflicted.
Take out Revolutionary War.
Which other events, had they turned out differently, would have caused the American people to enjoy ‘less freedom’?
Which current activities by our military are protecting our freedom?
The biggest losses of freedom I have observed were all self inflicted.
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 8:57 am
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 8:56 am to weagle1999
War of 1812?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 8:57 am to weagle1999
Well the civil war was primarily fought for the freedom of the slaves so you could argue for that one.
War of 1812 probably
Even if you don’t want to count those your question relies on the premise that “freedom” is the only legitimate reason to fight a war.
War of 1812 probably
Even if you don’t want to count those your question relies on the premise that “freedom” is the only legitimate reason to fight a war.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:00 am to weagle1999
Listened to the free audio book version of “War is a Racket” by Smedley Butler last night. Very sobering. And more than a bit depressing. Published ninety years ago and still true today.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:00 am to weagle1999
A different outcome in the Civil War could have caused some Americans to experience less freedom.
Taking out the Revolutionary War, which by definition was for our freedom and independence, is silly.
Allowing another country, like Nazzi Germany or Communist USSR, to take all of Europe and parts of Asia would have obviously changed our lives, not necessarily restricting our freedom, but changing the way the world operates (would have impacted our freedom to travel and see the world).
Taking out the Revolutionary War, which by definition was for our freedom and independence, is silly.
Allowing another country, like Nazzi Germany or Communist USSR, to take all of Europe and parts of Asia would have obviously changed our lives, not necessarily restricting our freedom, but changing the way the world operates (would have impacted our freedom to travel and see the world).
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:04 am to weagle1999
quote:
Which current activities by our military are protecting our freedom?
There is a deterrence factor to our military...
Post WWII it has pretty much been MIC feeding conflicts...
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:05 am to BhamTigah
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Taking out the Revolutionary War, which by definition was for our freedom and independence, is silly.
I did that because it is an obvious answer
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:06 am to HeadCall
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HeadCall
What part of the country are you from?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:08 am to weagle1999
We need boots on the ground in Ukraine to fight Putin. I’ve been told by some very brave, smart men on the O-T that if Putin takes Ukraine that he will soon take the whole world.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:08 am to weagle1999
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I did that because it is an obvious answer
I know. I started the sentence with a different thought in mind, but couldn't think of the right word so I just wrote "silly". Probably should have erased instead.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:15 am to The Maj
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There is a deterrence factor to our military... Post WWII it has pretty much been MIC feeding conflicts...
The stark reality is that the world would be a better place if the other side had won both world wars. Weve convinced ourselves that the atrocities we committed were more acceptable than the other sides...because we were better at killing them than they were killing us
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:18 am to weagle1999
I'm pretty much in agreement with everyone who answered the War of 1812. WWs 1 and 2 were not necessarily about protecting our freedom, but our economic sovereignty was definitely being challenged at the time.
Here's one for ya, though - When is the last time the United States fought a constitutionally legal, declared, war? Our government has had us in all kinds of constitutionally illegal wars that they call "prolonged military actions." That kind of shite has GOT to be reeled in and curtailed! A hell of a lot of young men (and women as well these days) have lost their lives or returned horribly maimed from undeclared wars that have had absolutely nothing to do with defending us from a threat to our nation's freedom and sovereignty. (I often wonder how many of these conflicts exist only to allow our MIC to test out their weapons systems in real world circumstances.)
Here's one for ya, though - When is the last time the United States fought a constitutionally legal, declared, war? Our government has had us in all kinds of constitutionally illegal wars that they call "prolonged military actions." That kind of shite has GOT to be reeled in and curtailed! A hell of a lot of young men (and women as well these days) have lost their lives or returned horribly maimed from undeclared wars that have had absolutely nothing to do with defending us from a threat to our nation's freedom and sovereignty. (I often wonder how many of these conflicts exist only to allow our MIC to test out their weapons systems in real world circumstances.)
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:21 am to Swamp Angel
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declared, war
June 4, 1942 was the last declaration of war which was part of WWII... Since then it has been "police actions", "advisory missions", etc...
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:22 am to weagle1999
The war on terror has prevented any other major terrorist attacks from occurring since 9/11. The nation building stuff was retarded but crippling the middle eastern terrorist networks has been a positive thing for our country.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:24 am to BuckeyeGoon
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The war on terror has prevented any other major terrorist attacks from occurring since 9/11.
We took away Florida flight schools???
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:25 am to weagle1999
The War of Northern Aggression.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:25 am to Wolfhound45
The exploits and prowess of Smedley Butler were still being extolled as a model of courage for enlisted Marines when I passed through MCRD San Diego 30+ years ago... his disdain for the corporate interests (according to him) behind our involvement in places where he earned his reputation, not so much.
It's only in the last decade or so that I've seen some of his anti-war and anti-imperialist views. Haven't read the book, though. So, thanks for the YT link.
It's only in the last decade or so that I've seen some of his anti-war and anti-imperialist views. Haven't read the book, though. So, thanks for the YT link.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:34 am to weagle1999
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and were a threat to take Hawaii which is US territory with US citizens. They invaded Wake Island, Attu and Kiska in Alaska and took the Philippines a US territory. So WW II definitely qualifies. Hitler stupidly declared war on us.
I would say that going after Al Qaida after 911 counts. Iraq doesn’t. Grenada was about protecting US citizens in school .
Korea is iffy but we did get a good ally out of it. At least until this election.
We have hopefully learned not to intervene in areas where they have been warring since King David.
We need to build our economic strength now and stay out of wars that are none of our business.
I would say that going after Al Qaida after 911 counts. Iraq doesn’t. Grenada was about protecting US citizens in school .
Korea is iffy but we did get a good ally out of it. At least until this election.
We have hopefully learned not to intervene in areas where they have been warring since King David.
We need to build our economic strength now and stay out of wars that are none of our business.
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:47 am to weagle1999
The War of 1812
World War II
The "War on Terror" but it was nearly completely mishandled, and it's not over!
World War II
The "War on Terror" but it was nearly completely mishandled, and it's not over!
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