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Why does true freedom and liberty scare people?
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:06 pm
And I'll specifically ask you establishment republicans around here. Why do you tremble at the thought of less government?
We are only in the mess we are in now because we allowed the government to expand. For example, if we were allowed to personally defend ourselves and our community as intended by the founding fathers, we wouldn't have problems with the Basketball People having daily brawls at the Circle K or the Muslims throwing white children off of balconies and randomly exploding. Hell, they wouldn't be around at all. Establishment republicans and liberals want to keep the good people imprisoned to the government. True freedom scares the hell out of them.
Then there's the matter of property taxes, permits, etc that they insist are essential...
We are only in the mess we are in now because we allowed the government to expand. For example, if we were allowed to personally defend ourselves and our community as intended by the founding fathers, we wouldn't have problems with the Basketball People having daily brawls at the Circle K or the Muslims throwing white children off of balconies and randomly exploding. Hell, they wouldn't be around at all. Establishment republicans and liberals want to keep the good people imprisoned to the government. True freedom scares the hell out of them.
Then there's the matter of property taxes, permits, etc that they insist are essential...
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 9:08 pm
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:13 pm to Dex Morgan
Because that means more individual responsibility. I don't think that's the whole reason. I'm sure there are a ton of other variables, but that one seems to be the biggest variable.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:14 pm to Dex Morgan
Freedom and liberty requires each individual to be responsible for their own lot in life.....that scares a lot of people who want to be taken care of. 
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:18 pm to Dex Morgan
Similar to why I don’t want less HOA involvement. We need people to make a big deal out of things that don’t seem like a big deal before they become a big deal
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:19 pm to Dex Morgan
Most normal people do actually think like this.
But most normal people are the devil.
But most normal people are the devil.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:22 pm to Dex Morgan
Randomly exploding has me cracked up.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:25 pm to Joev1
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Similar to why I don’t want less HOA involvement.
Bless your heart. We've got homes worth millions of dollars in downtown Orlando that don't have an HOA and somehow they have managed to keep their properties in order just fine without one. The state of Florida has also prosecuted over a dozen HOA boards over the past two years that have resulted in prison sentences. But go on and think you're in the right for trying to put a lien on someone's home because you don't like the color of their tulips...
This post was edited on 5/30/25 at 12:42 am
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:48 pm to Dex Morgan
I’d argue that the people you are talking about are a very small percentage of the population. A hard working class. In terms of government, you can’t just cherry pick a small percentage like your example. You have to include everyone. And I know a lot of people that would (and do) make selfish decisions that would benefit them and hurt the whole. This is where government involvement would help.
For example, government prevents people from driving 60 through my neighborhood where my kids play. It prevents companies from putting toxic chemicals that I don’t have the knowledge or time to study in my family’s food. It slows down the influx of illegal criminals, rapists and terrorists and from entering our country.
Also my hearts okay thanks
For example, government prevents people from driving 60 through my neighborhood where my kids play. It prevents companies from putting toxic chemicals that I don’t have the knowledge or time to study in my family’s food. It slows down the influx of illegal criminals, rapists and terrorists and from entering our country.
Also my hearts okay thanks
Posted on 5/29/25 at 9:51 pm to Dex Morgan
Michael Oakeshott had some great analysis of that fear. Need to dig that up and dust if off.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 10:23 pm to Dex Morgan
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For example, if we were allowed to personally defend ourselves and our community as intended by the founding fathers,
Probably a good time to point out that NO ONE ALIVE hates the 2nd Amendment more than the police. Which makes the above somewhat more difficult. The Police make Nancy Pelosi look pro-gun.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 10:56 pm to Dex Morgan
Most people now prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:07 pm to Joev1
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government prevents people from driving 60 through my neighborhood where my kids play.
No, it absolutely doesn’t.
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It prevents companies from putting toxic chemicals that I don’t have the knowledge or time to study in my family’s food.
Again, no.
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It slows down the influx of illegal criminals, rapists and terrorists and from entering our country.
And finally, maybe. But “slowing down” illegals to where “only” a couple million are coming in a year isn’t anything special to write home about.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:19 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Probably a good time to point out that NO ONE ALIVE hates the 2nd Amendment more than the police.
I have to admit.. at least some, probably many, cops in my area are all in on 2nd amendment. They give range lessons and help harden churches around here, God love 'em.
I'm more NWA than Thin Blue Line when it comes to police in general... but my county po-po is pretty cool.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:20 pm to Dex Morgan
Freedom and liberty scares people who covet power over other people, ie politicians.
Almost all people want freedom and liberty.
Even if you care deeply about these issues, what can you really do to ensure freedom & liberty are around for your kids & grandkids?
My hope is crushed at the ballot box every election when I realize I have a choice of candidate A or B, usually both lawyers, and the only difference between the two is the D & the R beside their name.
Almost all people want freedom and liberty.
Even if you care deeply about these issues, what can you really do to ensure freedom & liberty are around for your kids & grandkids?
My hope is crushed at the ballot box every election when I realize I have a choice of candidate A or B, usually both lawyers, and the only difference between the two is the D & the R beside their name.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:20 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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Most people now prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom.
That's because a lot of people who would choose dangerous freedom understand that we aren't ever gonna have it... and that sucks.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:47 pm to Dex Morgan
Accountability for their own actions and consequences if they are not able to succeed
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:56 pm to Dex Morgan
A certain population have no ambition to work for anything. They want it handed to them and have no shame by not being a productive member of society. Being successful is like losing weight, you don’t see results for a long period of time. Most aren’t willing to go through the process.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:57 am to Joev1
So you're ok with someone telling you what you can and cannot do to a house YOU pay for and maintain, and you wonder why this country is fricked up, you probably the tattle tail of the neighborhood
Posted on 5/30/25 at 3:23 am to SallysHuman
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I have to admit.. at least some, probably many, cops in my area are all in on 2nd amendment. They give range lessons and help harden churches around here, God love 'em.
Almost all departments do this but then watch how they act when someone actually exercises their Second Amendment right.
The police react to a gun in public like they just saw an army of terrorists. Your rights go right the frick out the window. God help you if you happen to be legally carrying when you get pulled over for a traffic stop
And if the interaction is caused because Karen saw you with a gun panics and called the cops? Yeah you're second fourth and 5th Amendment rights are about to get shite on
Posted on 5/30/25 at 5:11 am to Dex Morgan
Here’s some Oakeshott. A portion of a 7600-word summary “I made” w ChatGPT:
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The signature essay of 1947 attacks the modern cult of the plan – whether communist Five-Year Plans or technocratic welfare schemes. Oakeshott’s point is not merely practical (plans fail) but existential: planning promises deliverance from the ordeal of freedom by reducing political life to solvable technical problems. The “rationalist” wants “nothing unforeseen, uncontrolled, or unapproved”; beneath that aspiration lies fear. In prose that many readers have judged prophetic, he insists that the passion to codify and control is driven less by benevolence than by a dread of openness. Grant the rationalist his premises, and you exchange “adventure” for “omnipresent supervision” – a bargain some citizens welcome because it relieves them of the burden to choose.
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