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Stephen Miller clarifies the “big beautiful bill” misconceptions

Posted on 5/25/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted by prplngldtigr
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 3:51 pm



I’ve seen a few claims making the rounds on the Big Beautiful Bill that require correction.

The first is that it doesn’t “codify the DOGE cuts.” A reconciliation bill, which is a budget bill that passes with 50 votes, is limited by senate rules to “mandatory” spending only — eg Medicaid and Food Stamps. The senate rules prevent it from cutting “discretionary” spending — eg the Department of Education or federal grants. The DOGE cuts are overwhelmingly discretionary, not mandatory. The bill saves more than 1.6 TRILLION in mandatory spending, including the largest-ever welfare reform. A remarkable achievement.

I’ve also seen claims the bill increases the deficit. This lie is based on a CBO accounting gimmick. Income tax rates from the 2017 tax cut are set to expire in September. They were always planned to be permanent. CBO says maintaining *current* rates adds to the deficit, but by definition leaving these income tax rates unchanged cannot add one penny to the deficit. The bill’s spending cuts REDUCE the deficit against the current law baseline, which is the only correct baseline to use.

Another fantastically false claim is that the bill spends trillions of dollars. This is just completely invented out of whole cloth. This is not a ten year budget bill—it doesn’t “fund” almost any operations of government, which are funded in the annual budget bills (which this is not). In other words, if this bill passed, but the annual budget bill did not, there would be no government funding. Under the math that critics are using, if we passed a one paragraph reconciliation bill that cut simply 50 billion in food stamp spending, they would say the bill “added” trillions in spending and debt because they are counting ALL the projected federal spending that exists entirely outside the scope of this legislation, which is of course preposterous. The only funding in the bill is for the President’s border and defense priorities, while enacting a net spending cut of over 1.6 TRILLION dollars.

The bill has two fiscal components: a massive tax cut and a massive spending cut.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by jbdawgs03
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 3:54 pm to
@roadGator your thoughts?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 3:54 pm to
Well. That is pretty clear. I'm sure some fake Republicans will still vote against it.
Posted by SoFlaGuy
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 3:56 pm to
It’s almost like he knows more than the TD crowd. Crazy!
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 3:57 pm to
Trump needs to have a tv address in front of a tv monitor making these claims.


Steve, nor Caroline won’t get the message out.

It has to be Trump.
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:00 pm to
@Reeeeeeee’ing bots your thoughts?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:17 pm to
The IRS already counts on the 2017 cuts expiring and they've laid claim to those funds before you've even earned the money to be taxed.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

A reconciliation bill, which is a budget bill that passes with 50 votes, is limited by senate rules to “mandatory” spending only — eg Medicaid and Food Stamps.

I thought I read the bill cut GND spending by half (not enough, but at least something) - but that's not mandatory spending?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

I thought I read the bill cut GND spending by half (not enough, but at least something) - but that's not mandatory spending?


It removes a bunch of green new deal tax credits.
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:25 pm to
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Trump needs to have a tv address in front of a tv monitor making these claims.


+1
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:26 pm to
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@roadGator your thoughts?


The savior of Utah
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:30 pm to
Stephen Miller is brilliant and correct.

Isn't Ron Johnson usually MAGA? Who woke up and pissed in his wheaties?


Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 4:42 pm to
Big beautiful turd is more like it.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:16 pm to
I like Miller's gusto and what hes doing, but lets be honest, hes not exactly unbiased on this topic.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:57 pm to
Miller's making this too complicated for most people to follow. Start with the basic comparisons.

1) How much did the US spend in Biden's last 12 months, ending on 1/20/25? How much is the US projected to spend in Trump's first 12 months. Subtract out interest expense for both, since that's spending based on past deficits.

2) What were US revenues in Biden's last 12 months? What are projected revenues for Trump's first 12 months.

Then, somewhere further in the article break out spending on a line item basis. Document spending increases due to inflation adjustments, like Social Security COLA. Also document spending that is imposed by the judiciary, for example by blocking or delaying federal job cuts, wasteful spending, etc. Document increased spending used for securing the border, ICE, immigration court costs, etc. Document any federal spending being used for illegal alien "entitlements", including federal money used by states for Medicaid, housing, food stamps, etc. Dcoument spending changes for Ukraine.
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 6:14 pm
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
2539 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:59 pm to
His take is stupid. Many of the breaks expire in 2029 or thereabouts to mask the true cost, plus they were trying to delay the Medicare work requirement until 2029. CBO cannot assume anything, so the expiring breaks are not factored into the 10 year forecast, thus the true cost of the bill is higher as everyone know there will be massive demand to extend those breaks in 2028/2029
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
21726 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:05 pm to
A handful of REPS in the senate are opposed......this could be a long term problem....TRUMP doesn't like this opposition.
Yet, he will wise up, as he always does, and agree to make further spending cuts.....and the left will pounce!

Here we go!
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
5448 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:12 pm to
Good explanation from Miller. The Dims and retarded RINOs will still be angry and unhinged about the bill though.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
3576 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:12 pm to
Cutting taxes isn’t a “cost” unless you believe in giving the government as much of your money as possible
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