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Mediocrity of LSU Football - I miss being a top 10 team
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:21 am
This post is inspired by me just poking around LSU's season history [ source] and not even realizing that we finished unranked this year (in my defense, I'm a peace corps volunteer in rural panama, hard for me to keep up super close with most things stateside). I then realized that despite winning the SEC West and the Heisman in Kelly's first two years, we finished outside the top ten both times. I find it ironic that we fired Miles in 2016 for mediocrity (0.692 record over 4 seasons post-2011, highest rank 14, one finish outside top 25) and then almost a decade later are paying 10 million a year for a similar product (0.725, highest finish 12, finishing unranked last year while the team he left for not having the "resources" to compete played in the Natty)
In the first 11 years of my life, we finished top ten 7 times... in the 13 years since then we have finished in the top 10 only twice, both with Ed O and Joe Burrow. without burrow, we have 0 top ten finishes. Schools like UCF and Cincy have just as many and TCU and Michigan State have double our top 10 final rankings during that time. [ LINK]
Obviously we fairly recently won the natty (which was the best season ever and i think still worth a handful of mediocre seasons but now feels like a bit of a flash in the pan). But because of that natty, I think I just didn't realize the decade of mediocrity that LSU football has had outside of that. It perpetually feels like next year is the year and I miss my childhood when LSU consistently was in the cream of the crop. I'm genuinely hopeful Kelly can right the ship starting this year but it really feels like we're still trying to shake off the 2011 curse
Look I'm not a negatiger. I guess it just didn't dawn on me before the struggles we've had this past decade and I'm out here feeling nostalgic. I just don't want to become one of those schools that merely accepts mediocrity as the new norm and expectation :/
In the first 11 years of my life, we finished top ten 7 times... in the 13 years since then we have finished in the top 10 only twice, both with Ed O and Joe Burrow. without burrow, we have 0 top ten finishes. Schools like UCF and Cincy have just as many and TCU and Michigan State have double our top 10 final rankings during that time. [ LINK]
Obviously we fairly recently won the natty (which was the best season ever and i think still worth a handful of mediocre seasons but now feels like a bit of a flash in the pan). But because of that natty, I think I just didn't realize the decade of mediocrity that LSU football has had outside of that. It perpetually feels like next year is the year and I miss my childhood when LSU consistently was in the cream of the crop. I'm genuinely hopeful Kelly can right the ship starting this year but it really feels like we're still trying to shake off the 2011 curse
Look I'm not a negatiger. I guess it just didn't dawn on me before the struggles we've had this past decade and I'm out here feeling nostalgic. I just don't want to become one of those schools that merely accepts mediocrity as the new norm and expectation :/
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:38 am to hsgeoboy
So youre spoiled, got it.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:39 am to hsgeoboy
yeah you’re first 11 years were literally the best 11 years in school history.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:40 am to poochie
I mean yeah, perhaps one could say LSU fans before 2011 were spoiled with a ton of success. But what, am I just supposed to say "I don't care that we don't produce top ten teams anymore?" Im not melting about it, just pointing out a trend I didn't even realize before today that I think is unfortunate
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:41 am to hsgeoboy
how old are you kid? 24? you missed the painful archer/hallman years and the last 2 dinardo years. be thankful.
hoeveer if you were born in 2001 you missed the fun saban years here. those great teams pioneered what miles was handed over.
hoeveer if you were born in 2001 you missed the fun saban years here. those great teams pioneered what miles was handed over.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:42 am to SammyTiger
that's what im piecing together. Guess that kind of sustained success is an outlier for LSU and not the norm I thought it was. Do you think the next decade looks more like mediocre teams who don't even consistently make the playoffs then?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:43 am to SammyTiger
best run was 2000 to 2011.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:43 am to hsgeoboy
BK said judge him in year 3. Well that went to shite. Got beat by a bad USC team, blown out at home by an average Bama team, and of course gets beat on the road a few other games. 2025 schedule is much tougher.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:44 am to Fat Bastard
yeah born in 2000. grateful to miss the hallman curley years lol but sabans success was still part of the lore of LSU football to me growing up even if i mostly grew up on les miles
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:45 am to hsgeoboy
A combination of inheriting a bad roster to bad hires by Kelly has slowed the re-build. Kelly also has had a learning curve with NIL and the portal that haven't helped either.
He seems to have fixed all of that this season:
-Roster has fewer holes, more talent and depth since BK arrived
- A very solid coaching staff and 2nd year with coordinators
-NIL has been leveraged to get that talent and depth
-Portal acquisitions, at least on paper are as good as any team in CFB
Kelly has the team he has wanted since taking over at LSU. If he can't produce a top team in 2025 then there is a serious problem
He seems to have fixed all of that this season:
-Roster has fewer holes, more talent and depth since BK arrived
- A very solid coaching staff and 2nd year with coordinators
-NIL has been leveraged to get that talent and depth
-Portal acquisitions, at least on paper are as good as any team in CFB
Kelly has the team he has wanted since taking over at LSU. If he can't produce a top team in 2025 then there is a serious problem
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:46 am to hsgeoboy
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yeah born in 2000. grateful to miss the hallman curley years lol but sabans success was still part of the lore of LSU football to me growing up even if i mostly grew up on les miles
damn. most fun i ever had in TS was from 2000 to 2011. some wild and exciting times. crazy games.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:47 am to poochie
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So youre spoiled, got it.
This is the dumbest response to threads like this. Are you the kind of guy that just eats your food even if it's brought to you wrong? We pay for excellence and that's what should be expected. It’s not about being spoiled. It's about meeting the expectations that come with the amount of money being paid to those responsible for winning.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:49 am to Fat Bastard
yeah it seems like he is 24.
He said 1st 11 years and next 13.
So, that’s 2001-2012 or 2000-2011.
also 2000-2011 is a 12 year stretch
He said 1st 11 years and next 13.
So, that’s 2001-2012 or 2000-2011.
also 2000-2011 is a 12 year stretch
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 11:50 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:50 am to hsgeoboy
There are really 2 important points of that timeframe that have led us to where we are at. Les Miles refusal to adapt offensively and Ed Orgeron just coasting after the natty. End of Miles era started a downward trend and O after fully correcting the course, set the ship on fire and crashed it totally by the time Kelly was hired.
Kelly has done ok to good (not great) so far building it back up but definitely has had some missteps, House and that defensive staff plus underestimating the NIL portal space for a quicker rebuild. Both seemed corrected at the moment, but the season hasn’t even started so we’ll see. This is going to be a big sink or swim type year for him. If he doesn’t make the playoffs this year, his seat becomes really uncomfortable (hot might not be the word due to buyout).
Kelly has done ok to good (not great) so far building it back up but definitely has had some missteps, House and that defensive staff plus underestimating the NIL portal space for a quicker rebuild. Both seemed corrected at the moment, but the season hasn’t even started so we’ll see. This is going to be a big sink or swim type year for him. If he doesn’t make the playoffs this year, his seat becomes really uncomfortable (hot might not be the word due to buyout).
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:51 am to BayouCowboy
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Kelly has the team he has wanted since taking over at LSU. If he can't produce a top team in 2025 then there is a serious problem
Agreed.
He has the pieces, if he fails to deliver I'm not sure he'll ever deliver.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:55 am to hsgeoboy
We all want championships, but appreciate what we have. I endured the late 80s and 90s. I can remember being absolutely thrilled winning the Independence Bowl against Michigan State in 95 and Notre Dame in 97. You think now is bad? Try living through the Hallman era. Some people would laugh at you for wearing LSU gear at school.
I expect more from Brian Kelly, but I also appreciate what the program currently is and every single win we get. LSU would have killed for this kind of success back then.
My advice, always push LSU to be better, but enjoy the ride along the way. It can always be much worse! The program was DANGEROUSLY close to dropping back into the abyss, just a few years ago.
I expect more from Brian Kelly, but I also appreciate what the program currently is and every single win we get. LSU would have killed for this kind of success back then.
My advice, always push LSU to be better, but enjoy the ride along the way. It can always be much worse! The program was DANGEROUSLY close to dropping back into the abyss, just a few years ago.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:55 am to hsgeoboy
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I miss being a top 10 team
It’s been like 7 months
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:02 pm to hsgeoboy
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TCU and Michigan State have double our top 10 final rankings during that time.
They also have 5+ seasons each with 5 wins or less during that time.
LSU has had one of those since the 90s & that was only bc of Covid.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:09 pm to CatfishJohn
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Agreed.
He has the pieces, if he fails to deliver I'm not sure he'll ever deliver.
It really is a "show me" season. That being said, it's hard to not continue to look back on the 23' season and feel sick about the opportunity lost. The talent and production of that offense led by Daniels, Nabers and Thomas was squandered on a team with an inept and poorly coached defense.
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