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Did the Church Get Prophecy Wrong for 18 Centuries?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:15 pm
If Israel’s central role in end-times prophecy is so clearly biblical, why has this view been almost entirely confined to American evangelicalism?
For nearly 2,000 years, across every continent and tradition, Scripture was interpreted one way. Then in the 1800s—conveniently aligned with the rise of the Zionist movement—a completely new framework emerged that contradicted centuries of Christian theology.
The Darby-Scofield system—rapture timelines, a separate plan for Israel, and modern political fulfillment of prophecy—is virtually unknown or outright rejected by most evangelicals outside the U.S. It’s also dismissed by Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and the vast majority of global Protestant traditions.
If this is really the “correct” way to read the Bible, why did the global Church miss it for 1,800 years—and why do so many still reject it today?
For nearly 2,000 years, across every continent and tradition, Scripture was interpreted one way. Then in the 1800s—conveniently aligned with the rise of the Zionist movement—a completely new framework emerged that contradicted centuries of Christian theology.
The Darby-Scofield system—rapture timelines, a separate plan for Israel, and modern political fulfillment of prophecy—is virtually unknown or outright rejected by most evangelicals outside the U.S. It’s also dismissed by Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and the vast majority of global Protestant traditions.
If this is really the “correct” way to read the Bible, why did the global Church miss it for 1,800 years—and why do so many still reject it today?
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:18 pm to PQuin
No idea and who cares
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:20 pm to LARancher1991
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No idea and who cares
Why did you even bother responding?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:21 pm to PQuin
The Bible started being printed in every language and people could read it for themselves. It's pretty clear that God still has a plan for Israel.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:22 pm to PQuin
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PQuin
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:24 pm to PQuin
Considering I subscribe to one of the denominations that has kept a consistent prophecy interpretation for the past 2 millennia, no. All of those Israel firsters can get bent. I'll believe they're genuine when they offer up their own money and their own children't blood for Israel's defense. Israel is a big boy, they don't need our help and they can take care of themselves. They don't need my money or my blood. Give them yours if you disagree, but leave mine out of it. If I am forced to choose between Israel and the Palestinians, I will choose Israel, but I don't understand why that means I have to choose, why my tax dollars have to fund their wars, or why my cousins and friends have to die in deserts fighting Israel's enemies.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:24 pm to PQuin
Cause I'm wondering who's alter you are
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:26 pm to kingbob
Have American soldiers fought in Israel or Palestine? Genuinely curious cause I don't remember
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:26 pm to Elihu
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The Bible started being printed in every language and people could read it for themselves. It's pretty clear that God still has a plan for Israel.
You’re right, per Rom 11, and many other passages. The problem is, I don’t think the people in Israel are the true Israelites of the Bible.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:29 pm to BigTx
That Smith guy said it was white people that lived in Utah.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:30 pm to LARancher1991
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Have American soldiers fought in Israel or Palestine? Genuinely curious cause I don't remember
No, but they have fought in Iraq and Syria deposing regimes hostile to Israel. They're currently fighting in the Yemen to defeat yet another enemy of Israel/puppet of Iran: the Houthis. Our sitting Secretary of DOD is being pressured to resign because he refuses to sign off on plans to invade Iran to topple their government at Israel's request.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:31 pm to PQuin
Because God needed us to wait for my little East Texas Baptist church to get founded in 1848 so he could reveal His Word through a pure and educated filter.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:32 pm to PQuin
Why do American Bible thumpers care so much about prophecy and study world events so closely? It is a fool's errand. How about you just get yourself together and be ready?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:34 pm to PQuin
Israel can get nuked and it still will not stop Jesus from coming.
I never understood the mindset of Israel " having to exist".
I never understood the mindset of Israel " having to exist".
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:35 pm to Slippy
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Why do American Bible thumpers care so much about prophecy and study world events so closely? It is a fool's errand. How about you just get yourself together and be ready?
My interest in the topic stems solely from its impact on US foreign policy
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:39 pm to kingbob
Thought the Iraq thing was because two camel humpers flew planes into the towers but I guess I could be wrong. Syria we were protedcting the Kurds against Syria and Turkey. As far as yermen pretty sure that stemmed from the Suadis and Houthis fighting and the Saudis wanting our help. But I guess it can be all tied back to Israel somehow.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:42 pm to LARancher1991
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Thought the Iraq thing was because two camel humpers flew planes into the towers but I guess I could be wrong. Syria we were protedcting the Kurds against Syria and Turkey. As far as yermen pretty sure that stemmed from the Suadis and Houthis fighting and the Saudis wanting our help. But I guess it can be all tied back to Israel somehow.
Do you honestly believe that Israel is just a coincidental beneficiary all US foreign policy?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:52 pm to PQuin
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My interest in the topic stems solely from its impact on US foreign policy
I think it’s useful for mobilizing support, but I’m dubious that it’s actually a big factor in the policy itself.
Israel is useful for being a democratic and non-Islamic presence in an otherwise “challenging” region.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:53 pm to PQuin
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If this is really the “correct” way to read the Bible, why did the global Church miss it for 1,800 years—and why do so many still reject it today?
Maybe you missed that the "global church" was formed as the Roman Catholic Church, meaning controlled by the same people that crucified Christ. Its a no-brainer that they were forced to change what the apostles taught by that government
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Constantine wrote a letter urging them to end their dispute and reconcile. This was not Constantine's first direct involvement in ecclesiastical controversy. He had previously attempted to resolve a schism over Donatism in North Africa.
Constantine's letter was carried to Alexandria by Bishop Hosius of Corduba as his representative.
The Roman ruler gave a letter to a certain view of Christ, and they used his support to beat others into submission to the so-called "first church". From that meeting, many non-biblical edicts were forced on all Christians.
* Priests cant married. Yet their first Pope was
* Mary was always a virgin. Yet Christ had brothers and sisters
* The apostles confirmed their salvation with tongues. Heard that for the last 1800 years?
* Original baptism was to wash away sins by immersion. How do you wash away anything by sprinkling on the head?
* Confess yourself one to another, suddenly became 'hide pedophiles from justice'
* The Last Supper was done with the fruit of the vine. Catholics required it to be alcohol. Yet now mustum is accepted, because of the relapse of alcoholics from communion
The realities of Christs teachings were counciled out, and those that disagreed were tortured and killed. By the very same authorities that determined which church would be recognized by the govt. Sound familiar? The catholics to the Christian Church have been no different than the priests were to the Jewish church. And you see what Christ did to them, formed a new church, Same as the Protestants did
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:54 pm to LARancher1991
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Thought the Iraq thing was because two camel humpers flew planes into the towers but I guess I could be wrong.
You are wrong. Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. The hijackers were Saudis trained by a Saudi Prince operating in Afghanistan.
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