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Honestly As of Now, Which Country Has the Upper-Hand On the Tariff Situation?USA or China?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:23 pm
Seems obvious to me. America is in better shape because:
1).Trump has 90 countries coming to Washington to negotiate deals.
2) Trump has apparently managed to isolate China by continuing to play hardball with them.
3) Imo, China needs America more than America needs China.
That's my basic take on it. What do you think?
1).Trump has 90 countries coming to Washington to negotiate deals.
2) Trump has apparently managed to isolate China by continuing to play hardball with them.
3) Imo, China needs America more than America needs China.
That's my basic take on it. What do you think?
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:26 pm to KCT
China’s economy is really unstable and ~25% of their trade is with the United States. It’s going to take a miracle for them not to crash their economy.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:29 pm to KCT
USA has upper hand. Everyone knows it.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:36 pm to KCT
Basically Trump is raising awareness to the world if you trade with Chyna you will get shafted. That in turn awakes other countries to not increase trade with them else you lose.
The leftist press will continue to prop up Chyna via scare tactics. But Chyna is hugely disadvantaged and as we buy less they have lots of unemployed workers. Unemployed workers can’t buy food and get restless. Restless people in commie countries is a recipe for revolt.
I’ve also read some musings their population is over inflated. They do that for everything so likely true. Maybe its 1.1B? Still a lot but very possible they have less than said.
The leftist press will continue to prop up Chyna via scare tactics. But Chyna is hugely disadvantaged and as we buy less they have lots of unemployed workers. Unemployed workers can’t buy food and get restless. Restless people in commie countries is a recipe for revolt.
I’ve also read some musings their population is over inflated. They do that for everything so likely true. Maybe its 1.1B? Still a lot but very possible they have less than said.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:42 pm to KCT
quote:
1).Trump has 90 countries coming to Washington to negotiate deals.
it's 90 now?
link?
which ones?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:44 pm to OU Guy
Good point about China possibly having some serious internal problems right now, both economic and social. The ONE THING that bothers me about that is that I don't trust the evil CCP. If things were to get really desperate for them, could they possibly do something really crazy? I hope not, but who knows?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:44 pm to KCT
I’d say the USA, but our citizens do not have the resolve.
Even half of this board, which is very MAGA, has already buckled under 1 week of pressure.
Not even financial pressure, only media pressure.
Even half of this board, which is very MAGA, has already buckled under 1 week of pressure.
Not even financial pressure, only media pressure.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:46 pm to KCT
quote:
The ONE THING that bothers me about that is that I don't trust the evil CCP. If things were to get really desperate for them, could they possibly do something really crazy? I hope not, but who knows?
Dude, do you even Tienamin Square?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:47 pm to KCT
we dont have to buy from them
they have to continue to manufacture things
the slowing of dollars into China really hurts
the potential falling Yuan just speeds up the problems for them
they need to maintain 1Y to $.07 to stay afloat
they have to continue to manufacture things
the slowing of dollars into China really hurts
the potential falling Yuan just speeds up the problems for them
they need to maintain 1Y to $.07 to stay afloat
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:48 pm to KCT
The USA had the upperhand. The USA has the biggest purchasing power in the world. China needs the USA mora than the other way around.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:56 pm to KCT
Look at the trade deficit. That tells you everything you need to know.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:56 pm to KCT
Your basic take is spot on!
Posted on 4/13/25 at 10:59 pm to UptownJoeBrown
quote:
Dude, do you even Tienamin Square?
I remember the situation, but what possible point are you evem making? I just said that I don't trust the CCP. Learn to read.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:05 pm to KCT
quote:
2) Trump has apparently managed to isolate China by continuing to play hardball with them.
Are you intentionally ignoring the news for some reason?
quote:LINK
In a significant move to counter increasing trade pressures from the United States, China, Japan, and South Korea have decided to unite against rising tariffs imposed by the US. These three major Asian economies held their first economic discussions in five years, resulting in an agreement aimed at strengthening their trade relations and enhancing cooperation on supply chains.
A central focus of the discussions was to enhance supply chain cooperation between China, Japan, and South Korea. Supply chains play a vital role in ensuring that countries can acquire the necessary materials and products to produce goods. By strengthening their collaboration, these countries aim to ensure that trade remains uninterrupted, even in the face of growing US tariffs.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:05 pm to KCT
We’re isolating ourselves. Trump lies. Everyone will band against us if he keeps up the stupid rhetoric. He’s taking this country down so much faster than anyone expected.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:16 pm to KCT
China was in a death spiral before the Trump tariffs. They won't recover from this. Even if Xi bends the knee, it will only delay the inevitable collapse, not stop it.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:19 pm to KCT
USA. CCP is crumbling.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:22 pm to KCT
US.
China is highly dependent upon the US whereas we can survive easily without them.
China is highly dependent upon the US whereas we can survive easily without them.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:23 pm to Harry Boutte
that msn.com article is a week old and no longer applies
japan, korea, vietnam, taiwan have all reached out to cut a new trade deal
this was announced THIS week
here is Japan
the situation is fluid
japan, korea, vietnam, taiwan have all reached out to cut a new trade deal
this was announced THIS week
here is Japan
the situation is fluid
quote:
Yoshiaki Nohara, Daniel Flatley and Hadriana Lowenkron
Tue, April 8, 2025 at 2:20 AM CDT 4 min read In This Article: 8301.T +4.02% (Bloomberg) -- Japan looks set to get priority in US tariff talks, moving to the front of a long line of countries seeking to roll back President Donald Trump’s so-called reciprocal duties, which are scheduled to kick in on Wednesday.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:27 pm to KCT
We buy from them while we fund a chunk of our GDP with government debt. They buy our debt. It’s a symbiotic relationship.
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