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Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:18 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:18 am
In income and purchasing power.
Inflation steadily increasing too.
And the entire time jobs and manufacturing being shipped overseas for decades.
Can someone explain here how keeping our medicine and chip manufacturing overseas and continuing to get fricked over will help these Americans? shite hasn’t changed in decades…
Perhaps the tour bus driver or temu Morris Bart can explain
Inflation steadily increasing too.
And the entire time jobs and manufacturing being shipped overseas for decades.
Can someone explain here how keeping our medicine and chip manufacturing overseas and continuing to get fricked over will help these Americans? shite hasn’t changed in decades…
Perhaps the tour bus driver or temu Morris Bart can explain
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:22 am to texag7
Hmmm, what could correlate with that?
The erosion of American manufacturing and job closures nationwide due to corporations taking advantage of Chinese labor working for $.50/hr?
The erosion of American manufacturing and job closures nationwide due to corporations taking advantage of Chinese labor working for $.50/hr?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:24 am to dnm3305
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The erosion of American manufacturing and job closures nationwide due to corporations taking advantage of Chinese labor working for $.50/hr?
According to some idiots here tariffs possibly forcing jobs back to the US will hurt the lower and middle class badly.
All because they want cheap shite on Amazon and hate Trump.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 7:25 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:26 am to texag7
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Perhaps the tour bus driver or temu Morris Bart can explain
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:28 am to texag7
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According to some idiots here tariffs possibly forcing jobs back to the US will hurt the lower and middle class badly.
No the redistribution will help them get inefficient (and overpaid) jobs.
It will hurt the producers in the economy at the other end, which is where the real weight of our economy exists and the driver of our SOL.
Also,
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Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Do you have a cite? How are you defining "lower and middle class"? It seems you're using a static definition and ignoring changes in society and our economy.
Currently a job at McDonalds is higher-paced, more skilled, and more economically productive than these jobs you want back (without governmetn intervention and redistribution of wealth). Why do they deserve double/triple the salary of a McDonalds worker (+ benefits and retirement, if we're going fully halcyon)?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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Do you have a cite?
You think homes or cars are easier to afford today than decades ago?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:32 am to texag7
quote:ORLY?
Lower Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Run those numbers please.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:33 am to Azkiger
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You think homes or cars are easier to afford today than decades ago?
That has nothing to do with his comment about the lower and middle class.
Everyone at every economic class and station is facing those effects.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:35 am to texag7
They would rather listen to the Ivy League scholars with economic theories than business people with economic experience
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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Currently a job at McDonalds is higher-paced, more skilled, and more economically productive than these jobs you want back
How is frying fries in vegetable oil more skilled than manufacturing computer chips?
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inefficient (and overpaid) jobs.
Overpaid according to whom? You are most likely overpaid and inefficient compared to some foreign lawyers.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:36 am to Azkiger
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You think homes or cars are easier to afford today than decades ago?
That’s not an accurate comparison. Do homes now have the same number of bedrooms? The same size? Small kitchens where only Mom could cook? Same number of bathrooms?
And let’s look at the materials and conveniences in those homes.
It’s not something you can compare…..like at all.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:39 am to Ten Bears
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And let’s look at the materials and conveniences in those homes.
Building materials today are lower quality than 50 years ago.
Cookie cutter homes in 2025 thrown together by illegals.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Everyone at every economic class and station is facing those effects.
Other economic classes still have the ability to afford these things, even if they pay more.
Low and middle class are being priced out.
There is a difference between you paying more and being unable to pay at all.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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No the redistribution will help them get inefficient (and overpaid) jobs.
These are only reserved for lawyers, govt people and outsourcers. You middle class people are not supposed to have those
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:41 am to texag7
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How is frying fries in vegetable oil more skilled than manufacturing computer chips?
You're conflating now. A bait and switch.
Those are not the types of manufacturing your OP references.
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Overpaid according to whom?
The market
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You are most likely overpaid and inefficient compared to some foreign lawyers
I understand the changing landscape and shifted s few years ago to areas that would not be affected by outsourcing (or AI, which was the bigger worry).
See, I adapted and made decisions (I imagine will be good over the long term). The people your OP focuses on did neither.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:42 am to Ten Bears
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Do homes now have the same number of bedrooms?
Yes there are still plenty of 3 bedroom homes in existence.
Not everyone is sporting 5 or 6+ bedroom homes.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:42 am to texag7
Our country traded good paying middle class manufacturing jobs for low paying service jobs. Instead of manufacturing cars we are manufacturing burgers.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:43 am to Azkiger
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Other economic classes still have the ability to afford these things, even if they pay more.
Today the poor have the ability to afford the same luxury goods that the rich do. The first time in human history this is true and all for the reasons that OP is complaining about.
Also this isn't some novel point. This was the standard reply to leftist economic BS like this thread from 05 to 2016.
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Low and middle class are being priced out.
With housing this is largely to government regulation a manipulation of the market. Like we used to say, why do you want to double down with more government to fix a problem created by government? The solution is less government and less manipulation and intervention.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:43 am to texag7
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According to some idiots here tariffs possibly forcing jobs back to the US will hurt the lower and middle class badly. All because they want cheap shite on Amazon and hate Trump.
It unequivocally will hurt those segments in the short to medium term.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:43 am to texag7
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Building materials today are lower quality
No, 2x4s size have grown with inflation. They're much thicker today than they were in the 70s and 80s
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