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Jack vs Tiger
Posted on 4/1/25 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 10:12 pm
You are either a Jack fan or a Tiger fan. Both are the greatest to ever play the game. But can you say 1 of them is the GOAT?
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Posted on 4/1/25 at 10:23 pm to dblwall
Where is the box for tiger had to win even tho he was black or asian or mixed…when he first came on the scene he had to deal with it AND win…jack never had to deal with those pressures
Posted on 4/1/25 at 10:55 pm to dblwall
Shooter McGavin
Posted on 4/1/25 at 11:02 pm to dblwall
Jack was over 50 when I started following the sport. It would seem he was VERY good. I’d just have to actually see someone play golf better than Tiger Woods to believe it. Maybe Jack was at that level. You’re splitting hairs and picking favorites at that point.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 11:42 pm to beaverfever
I have jack at #1.
18 majors
19 major 2nds
That pretty much says it all for me.
However the run Tiger went on from like 1999 to 2007 is unmatchable. Dominance like I’ve never seen before. Golf is very hard to even be consistent at. What he did those years(while screwing around on his wife) is just insane. The focus he had to have to win like he did those years is astonishing.
18 majors
19 major 2nds
That pretty much says it all for me.
However the run Tiger went on from like 1999 to 2007 is unmatchable. Dominance like I’ve never seen before. Golf is very hard to even be consistent at. What he did those years(while screwing around on his wife) is just insane. The focus he had to have to win like he did those years is astonishing.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 11:44 pm to dblwall
Tigers 3 US amateurs is insane and no one ever talks about it.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:03 am to dblwall
Jack is the GOAT.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:34 am to TigerBait2008
Jack is the GOAT but at his best Tiger was better.
It's very analogous to Tommy Brady vs Patty Mahomes. Tom is the GOAT but Patty was / is better in his absolute prime.
It's very analogous to Tommy Brady vs Patty Mahomes. Tom is the GOAT but Patty was / is better in his absolute prime.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:05 am to dukke v
Yeah, Tiger had the better prime but Jack had the better total career.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:12 am to dblwall
I think Phil is arguably at 1
Golf was designed for right handers, course wise, club availability wise, and instruction wise, especially when Phil first came into the scene.
He overcame that. If it was simple, there would be 1 other left hander in history with 10% of his accomplishments, but none are close.
He also attempted to work with the PGA Tour to improve the game. He was ignored and helped develop another professional golf league. The PGA tour has done nothing but try to copy Phil’s league ever since.
Golf was designed for right handers, course wise, club availability wise, and instruction wise, especially when Phil first came into the scene.
He overcame that. If it was simple, there would be 1 other left hander in history with 10% of his accomplishments, but none are close.
He also attempted to work with the PGA Tour to improve the game. He was ignored and helped develop another professional golf league. The PGA tour has done nothing but try to copy Phil’s league ever since.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 3:13 am to dblwall
I think one has to be careful in how the question is framed. Most accomplished? Jack. Highest peak? Tiger (2000 US Open @ Pebble).
Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:17 am to dblwall
Jack is a better person. Tiger is a better golfer. Anyone who says different to either of those propositions is kidding themselves.
No one will ever touch prime Tiger, and the fact he won a Masters over 40 after all he went through kinda ended this argument. Yes, Jack won one at 46, but the Frankenstein that Tiger was physically and mentally at 43 made his win just as (maybe more) impressive. And, again, no one will ever touch prime Tiger.
ETA: And the board won’t want to hear this, but Tiger made huge strides in advancing this sport far beyond rich/Upper Middle Class white people. I’m not saying he was ever denied anything because of his race or anything like that, but go to any Municipal course and look around. You’ll see a shite ton of middle class black men wearing that Red Polo and taking pride in Tiger. There’s an entire contingent who only got into golf because Tiger led them to it.
No one will ever touch prime Tiger, and the fact he won a Masters over 40 after all he went through kinda ended this argument. Yes, Jack won one at 46, but the Frankenstein that Tiger was physically and mentally at 43 made his win just as (maybe more) impressive. And, again, no one will ever touch prime Tiger.
ETA: And the board won’t want to hear this, but Tiger made huge strides in advancing this sport far beyond rich/Upper Middle Class white people. I’m not saying he was ever denied anything because of his race or anything like that, but go to any Municipal course and look around. You’ll see a shite ton of middle class black men wearing that Red Polo and taking pride in Tiger. There’s an entire contingent who only got into golf because Tiger led them to it.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 4:30 am
Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:43 am to dblwall
Give Jack modern clubs and he is the GOAT.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:16 am to _Hurricane_
Its close, but peak tiger won a higher % of tourneys entered in 2000 including 3 majors than nicklaus won in 1975
Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:16 am to dblwall
I have Jack at the top but it's pretty much 1a and 1b really. Jack had more major wins but Tiger has more wins overall and once held all four major titles at the same time, something Jack didn't do.
It's certainly debatable but neither guy has anything to be ashamed of regarding their professional careers
It's certainly debatable but neither guy has anything to be ashamed of regarding their professional careers
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:04 am to FredBear
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it's pretty much 1a and 1b really
Yeah, much like Jordan and Lebron it can go either way. Each is the best of their era, which is all you can really compare.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:13 am to SuckerPunch
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Where is the box for tiger had to win even tho he was black or asian or mixed…when he first came on the scene he had to deal with it AND win…jack never had to deal with those pressures
He would have had an easy, softball excuse for why he failed. Fortunately for all of us who witnessed his greatness, he isnt weak-minded and wasn't gonna let something as trivial as what pigment he was born with stop him from being what he believed he was destined to be. He played the game and showed them that no matter his shade, he was better than them all and by a lot.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:17 am to dblwall
I played in college and was a member of the PGA.
Head to head, Tiger dusts Jacks fat arse and it isn’t close.
Prime vs Prime, I push all my chips in on Tiger.
Old farts just don’t like to hear it, but it’s the truth. Prime Tiger beats anyone that has ever walked the Earth.
Head to head, Tiger dusts Jacks fat arse and it isn’t close.
Prime vs Prime, I push all my chips in on Tiger.
Old farts just don’t like to hear it, but it’s the truth. Prime Tiger beats anyone that has ever walked the Earth.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:48 am to dblwall
As a huge Jack fan and not a very big Tiger fan I'd love to say Jack is the GOAT, but I'll say it this way.
The depth of competition was much better in Tiger's day, but IMHO the Best players of Jack's day competed better against Jack than the best players of Tiger's era did against Tiger. Seems like the Phil's, VeeJay's, Els, Goosen's etc. always seemed to kinda shite the bed when Tiger was up top on the leaderboard while guys like Trevino, Watson, Player, etc seemed to step their games up and even thrive head to head with Jack.
I'd say at their prime and at their best, with the same equipment and all that, Tiger beats Jack more than Jack beats Tiger.
The depth of competition was much better in Tiger's day, but IMHO the Best players of Jack's day competed better against Jack than the best players of Tiger's era did against Tiger. Seems like the Phil's, VeeJay's, Els, Goosen's etc. always seemed to kinda shite the bed when Tiger was up top on the leaderboard while guys like Trevino, Watson, Player, etc seemed to step their games up and even thrive head to head with Jack.
I'd say at their prime and at their best, with the same equipment and all that, Tiger beats Jack more than Jack beats Tiger.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:57 am to AlwysATgr
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I think one has to be careful in how the question is framed. Most accomplished? Jack. Highest peak? Tiger (2000 US Open @ Pebble).
Who gives a shite about the peak? Throughout their entire history of their careers, Jack is better.
When speaking about an individual sport, accomplishments are all that matters. And Jack is more accomplished than Tiger.
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