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What happens if NATO tries to invoke Article 5 and we just say no?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:28 am
What would realistically happen if we just straight up refuse to send any troops or aid?
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Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:30 am to Henry Jones Jr
A lot of seething, and the both America and Europe end up in drastically better circumstances within a few years
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:30 am to Henry Jones Jr
There wouldn’t be anything they could do about it. Article 5 doesn’t force us to do anything
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:31 am to Henry Jones Jr
Then I'd say we're done with NATO. Sit back and watch the fireworks I guess.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:31 am to Henry Jones Jr
I believe to invoke Article 5, there has to be a unanimous vote by all members, right?
So, if we just said no, invoking Article 5 would not pass.
So, if we just said no, invoking Article 5 would not pass.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:32 am to Henry Jones Jr
The stipulation to offer nothing is something that can happen even with the invocation of Article 5, just from the language of the article.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:33 am to Henry Jones Jr
They can't. There's no Nato country being attacked. If the others want to go play offense in Ukraine that's on them
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:33 am to Henry Jones Jr
it would cease to exist which is a good thing since it should have ceased to exist in 1992. america and NATO's reign of terror these last 30 years will cast into the ash bin of history.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:33 am to Henry Jones Jr
first they'd cry
next they'd sulk
then they'd slowly begin to realize.....
next they'd sulk
then they'd slowly begin to realize.....
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:34 am to Henry Jones Jr
Hopefully it accelerates our withdrawal from NATO
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:35 am to Henry Jones Jr
This administration has signaled loud and clear its desire to bring hostilities to a close. If they invoked article 5 simply to try and drag us into a war with Russia, we should reject it out right, withdraw from NATO and treat it as a hostile act against the US. NATO is not a death pact and was never intended as an instrument to provoke hostilities with another nation.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:35 am to Henry Jones Jr
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What would realistically happen if we just straight up refuse to send any troops or aid?
Well it would just set precedent so when we screw with China eventually they’ll just sit that one out as well. Not to mention they’d build up their own arms industry (as they are now doing) and take the 66% of their defense budget that they currently use on American weapons and start buying from their own companies.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:36 am to Henry Jones Jr
I think article 5 is invoked if a member country is invaded, not using soldiers as human shields in a non member country to draw fire and escalate things even more in an attempt to prolong the war.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:36 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:No one would ever trust us again.
What happens if NATO tries to invoke Article 5 and we just say no?
Countries (and people) either honor their obligations, or they do not.
It is difficult to find a complimentary adjective for the latter.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:37 am to Henry Jones Jr
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What would realistically happen if we just straight up refuse to send any troops or aid?
Nothing as long as we tweet our support.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:37 am to aero1126
quote:You frame all of this like it’s a bad thing.
Well it would just set precedent so when we screw with China eventually they’ll just sit that one out as well. Not to mention they’d build up their own arms industry (as they are now doing) and take the 66% of their defense budget that they currently use on American weapons and start buying from their own companies.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:38 am to aero1126
tell me you've never been to europe without telling me you've never been to europe.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:39 am to Henry Jones Jr
Trump would be impeached by warmongering dems
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:39 am to Henry Jones Jr
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You frame all of this like it’s a bad thing
Them potentially sitting out a fight we are in with China, and putting their dollars into their own companies instead of American companies is not a good thing for America and our companies.
This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 9:40 am
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:39 am to Henry Jones Jr
Article 5 stipulates that if a member nation is attacked then the members will join in their defense. If doesn't say anywhere in article 5 that member nations must join when you initiate conflict defending a non member.
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