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Tips: Bench press form?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:32 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:32 am
I feel like I’m getting too much shoulder/front delt and not enough chest activation when performing incline/flat bench press. I try keeping arms/elbows at what I believe is the proper angle, but always end up self-limiting my sets/weight based on shoulder fatigue.
Anyone have tips on form or specific exercises to help feel that mind/body connection with more chest specific muscles?
Anyone have tips on form or specific exercises to help feel that mind/body connection with more chest specific muscles?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:37 am to TigerReich
Pecs are a tertiary muscle when it comes to bench pressing. The bench press is mainly a delt/tricep movement. If you are looking for chest development I would suggesting different movements like flies and DB pullovers.
If you want to engage your chest more on a bench press then you would have to flair your elbows out. I wouldn't recommend this because it starts to put your shoulders in a compromised position.
If you want to engage your chest more on a bench press then you would have to flair your elbows out. I wouldn't recommend this because it starts to put your shoulders in a compromised position.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:56 am to TigerReich
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:19 am to TigerReich
a few things that i've personally done to get better pec activation:
1. switched to dumbbells for standard bench/incline bench. This allows me to get my elbows lower and more of a stretch at the bottom. I pause there before exploding up again.
2. Walking my shoulder blades together on the bench instead of sitting flat. This pushes my shoulders out and helps with the next thing.
3. Puff my chest up and try to push the pecs to the sky. I can feel my pecs activate doing this prior to even starting a rep.
4. Not going to the very top of a rep. I noticed that when I went all the way to the top of the rep, I was messing up #2 and then my shoulders were getting involved a lot more.
I'm not expert. But, these things have helped me.
1. switched to dumbbells for standard bench/incline bench. This allows me to get my elbows lower and more of a stretch at the bottom. I pause there before exploding up again.
2. Walking my shoulder blades together on the bench instead of sitting flat. This pushes my shoulders out and helps with the next thing.
3. Puff my chest up and try to push the pecs to the sky. I can feel my pecs activate doing this prior to even starting a rep.
4. Not going to the very top of a rep. I noticed that when I went all the way to the top of the rep, I was messing up #2 and then my shoulders were getting involved a lot more.
I'm not expert. But, these things have helped me.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:04 am to PrezCock
Thanks, this helps. I’m definitely getting the expected engagement from delt/tricep. My chest days typically involve machine chest flys and cable crossovers since those definitely activate the pecs. I just wasn’t sure if I should be feeling more in the pec from benching.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 11:06 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:07 am to Uncle JackD
Thanks, this is a good explanation of the movement/placement mechanisms
Posted on 2/13/25 at 1:40 pm to TigerReich
Had this exact same problem struggling to get pec engagement feeling it all in front delts and triceps.
Dumbbells were the biggest thing that helped. Start at low weight dumbbell press and go deep, til you feel the stretch in your pecs. Pause at the bottom and let the weight cause a stretch and see if the weight can pull you lower. As slow and controlled as you can stand it. If you’re like me, you’ll struggle to get 10 reps with 25s like this, where you can bench 4x that much, and that’s how you know you’re doing something. Gradually increase weight only when you can control the dumbbells slow as frick throughout the reps.
I also warm up on chest days by putting a band around my wrists and pulling it outward while trying to flare my shoulders, really gets the rotator cuff woken up.
First time I did both of the above, my pecs were sore for 4 days after having never really gotten them sore. Now I alternate between db press and regular barbell but feel my chest every time no matter what.
Dumbbells were the biggest thing that helped. Start at low weight dumbbell press and go deep, til you feel the stretch in your pecs. Pause at the bottom and let the weight cause a stretch and see if the weight can pull you lower. As slow and controlled as you can stand it. If you’re like me, you’ll struggle to get 10 reps with 25s like this, where you can bench 4x that much, and that’s how you know you’re doing something. Gradually increase weight only when you can control the dumbbells slow as frick throughout the reps.
I also warm up on chest days by putting a band around my wrists and pulling it outward while trying to flare my shoulders, really gets the rotator cuff woken up.
First time I did both of the above, my pecs were sore for 4 days after having never really gotten them sore. Now I alternate between db press and regular barbell but feel my chest every time no matter what.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:09 am to hashtag
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2. Walking my shoulder blades together on the bench instead of sitting flat. This pushes my shoulders out and helps with the next thing.
3. Puff my chest up and try to push the pecs to the sky. I can feel my pecs activate doing this prior to even starting a rep.
Two really good tips that I learned later and life and still try to remind myself to focus on
Posted on 2/14/25 at 9:52 am to TigerReich
A few things to think about:
1) As already mentioned, pinching your shoulders back. Keep your delts out of the way. And keep it that way throughout the rep. Don't let your shoulders roll forward at the top to "lock it out", your front delts will take over as soon as you roll them forward.
2) Bar path. When at the bottom, the bar should be resting at or just below your nips. At the top, it shouldn't be too far off that plane. You're going to bring it up just a bit, but make sure it's not above your face/neck.
3) May or may not apply to you, but grip. I see folks at the gym all of the time with way too narrow of a grip. I have very short arms, and I still go as wide as pinky or ring finger (depending on the bar) at the ring. Make sure your grip is wide enough.
4) Again, may or may not apply to you, but warm up sets are real reps. Way too many people do their warm up sets like they're embarrassed and trying to make sure everyone knows this isn't their real working set. Empty bar, 135 on the bar, they're banging out 3 reps a second, throwing it up so fast the bar almost flies out their hands, weights are rattling around like an old school body building video. Slow it down. If you have good enough form that you can make your chest feel resistance on a warmup set, it'll be way easier to get the right feeling on your real working sets.
1) As already mentioned, pinching your shoulders back. Keep your delts out of the way. And keep it that way throughout the rep. Don't let your shoulders roll forward at the top to "lock it out", your front delts will take over as soon as you roll them forward.
2) Bar path. When at the bottom, the bar should be resting at or just below your nips. At the top, it shouldn't be too far off that plane. You're going to bring it up just a bit, but make sure it's not above your face/neck.
3) May or may not apply to you, but grip. I see folks at the gym all of the time with way too narrow of a grip. I have very short arms, and I still go as wide as pinky or ring finger (depending on the bar) at the ring. Make sure your grip is wide enough.
4) Again, may or may not apply to you, but warm up sets are real reps. Way too many people do their warm up sets like they're embarrassed and trying to make sure everyone knows this isn't their real working set. Empty bar, 135 on the bar, they're banging out 3 reps a second, throwing it up so fast the bar almost flies out their hands, weights are rattling around like an old school body building video. Slow it down. If you have good enough form that you can make your chest feel resistance on a warmup set, it'll be way easier to get the right feeling on your real working sets.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:18 am to PrezCock
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If you want to engage your chest more on a bench press then you would have to flair your elbows out. I wouldn't recommend this because it starts to put your shoulders in a compromised position.
Not exactly. You are putting your shoulders in a compromised position because you are using your shoulders to push when your elbows flare. The machines are able to give you a better mind muscle connection because you aren’t under a bar suspended by your arms fighting for your life. I’d suggest lightening the weight and doing more reps or do some exercises that make your bench press stronger. But first you need to make sure your form is correct. Don’t just guess. Ask someone that benches a lot in the gym and/or research videos online.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:32 am to STATigerFan
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Not exactly. You are putting your shoulders in a compromised position because you are using your shoulders to push when your elbows flare.
Don't take any offense to my post, but you are wrong here.
If you look at the Pectoralis Major muscle it has 2 distinct groups of muscle fibers. The Clavicular and Sternal fiber portions. The Clavicular portion's main movement is Horizontal Abduction (think about slapping a person in the face). The Sternal fibers also do abduction, but the movement would start much higher (think of having your arms up in a Y position then bringing them down to the opposite hip).
The Bench Press is not a good movement for Pectoralis Major activation. As I said earlier, it is a tertiary muscle and if you are looking for better activation then you should choose a different exercise.
Flaring of the arms would increase Pectoralis Major activation in a bench press, but as I said, it puts your shoulders in a compromised position. Not because "you are using your shoulders to push when your elbows flare". But because it can cause impingement. If you look at the bony projections in your shoulder, mainly the acromion and greater/lesser tuberosities of the humerus there is decreased joint space with the elbows flared through the movement. This is why scaption is a good movement to teach people when you are training them, especially for OH movements.
ETA:
If anyone is seriously looking to get good at bench I would start with Dave Tate's "So You Think You Can Bench" series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umOz8tCNaEc
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 11:38 am
Posted on 2/14/25 at 12:21 pm to PrezCock
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Don't take any offense to my post, but you are wrong here.
None taken.
I’m just speaking from about 20 years of experience lifting weights. My flat bench workout was 405 for 8 reps and incline was 365 for 8 reps just a couple years ago. I don’t go that heavy anymore. I have never had a shoulder injury. Never. It is true that you will have impingement if your elbows are flared. But it is also true that you are using too much of your front delts to push the weight, easiest way to tell is you will have tighter delts than chest after pressing. Also why the bar should not travel straight up and down. You are pressing the weight from your shoulders if your elbows are too wide. Lay on a bench and put the bar on your chest. Tell me where it starts when you flare your elbows vs having them at about 45 degrees out from your body. This is why he’s feeling it everywhere but the chest. He probably learned wrong from the beginning, his chest is weak so he uses too much shoulder to press, or maybe he already have an injury that doesn’t allow him to lift properly. He needs to have someone that can watch his form and knows what it should be to help him. That’s the easiest way to fix it. You can look at videos but it can be hard to judge your own form.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 1:20 pm to TigerReich
Not a gym rat here however, at 72 I started using the slingshot, and it is great for my shoulders and keeps the elbows in proper alignment/angle with bar and nipples. I also switched to the Smith machine for both bench and incline. It’s safe for me as well as my grip is weakening.


Posted on 2/15/25 at 3:37 am to hashtag
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4. Not going to the very top of a rep. I noticed that when I went all the way to the top of the rep, I was messing up #2 and then my shoulders were getting involved a lot more.
I overheard a trainer telling someone this exact thing.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:21 am to TigerReich
Luke someone else mentioned, the answer isn't to change your bench press - it's to add DB flys.
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