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Democrats look to government funding as their leverage against Trump, will we finally get

Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Padme
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:33 pm
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Will we finally get the shutdown so many of us want? Yeah the squishes will bitch non stop about how the press will make it Trumps fault. SFP will taunt non-stop about how it will hurt the GOP. But most of us want it. Not just 2 weeks, not just 6 weeks, but how about a 6-9 month shutdown with no back pay. Fed employees are welcome to draw unemployment like the rest of civilization when they’re layed off.

I think it happens this time. Trump don’t GAF and the country is ripe to see how meaningless a prolonged shutdown will be …



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Democrats held the Senate floor through the night this week in a painstaking but ultimately futile protest against President Donald Trump’s budget chief.

They’re about to get some real leverage.

Elon Musk’s dramatic reshaping of government, combined with Trump’s torrent of executive actions and a confusing federal spending freeze, have cast serious doubt on the prospects for Congress to fund the government past March 14, according to interviews with a half-dozen senior Democratic senators and several worried Republicans.

Republicans will need Democratic votes in the Senate and the House to avoid a government shutdown and a debt default later this year, given the GOP’s narrow majorities in both chambers. Democrats say they see little rationale now to try to compromise with Republicans who have shown little interest in stopping Trump’s aggressive use of executive power.

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“It feels impossible,” Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., told Semafor. “What’s the point of writing a budget if the president’s going to ignore it? It’s a problem without precedent.”

Democrats want assurances from Trump’s White House that any government funding deal would actually be implemented — a guarantee doesn’t seem to be coming, as Musk continues his spending scrutiny and the legally disputed budget freeze lingers. Russ Vought, the conservative nemesis of many Democrats, will soon run Trump’s budget office, another hurdle for a bipartisan funding pact.

House and Senate Democrats got a taste of their future challenges in December, when Trump scuttled a bipartisan government funding accord. The two parties cut a bare-bones agreement to avoid a shutdown, but there’s little evidence of tangible progress since then.

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And Democrats say they are in no mood to deal.

“This president is in this big power grab, saying that he can decide what to spend or not spend on anything. It kinda reduces your motivation to negotiate on stuff,” said Sen. Tina Smith, D-Minn.

Figuring out how to avoid a shutdown, she added, is “on them now,” referring to Republicans.

Ultimately, Democrats will have few good options if they opt out of negotiations on a spending deal that the administration might not make good on. They could support a “continuing resolution” stopgap bill, though that could eventually trigger a blunt defense cut thanks to a previous bipartisan agreement.

Or Democrats could refuse to supply the votes to fund the government — which would be atypical for the party that typically tries to pin shutdowns on the GOP. Republicans are optimistic that those two bad options will force Democrats to the table.

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“Look at what the alternative is. It’s either a year-long CR — which would still have to pass and get 60 votes and would create enormous problems and would trigger the sequester — or having the government shut down,” said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, the Appropriations Committee chair.

“The Democrats will be responsible for that, if they aren’t cooperating,” she added.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer doesn’t see it that way. He reframed the question as one for Republicans, who struggle to cobble together votes to avoid a shutdown or lift the debt ceiling: “They’re in charge, they have to work with us.”

Still, several senior Democratic sources said the conditions for a real shutdown fight are starting to manifest in the halls of the Capitol. Collins is talking to Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., her counterpart on spending, but Murray said she’s “deeply worried” about the situation.

Shutdown talk in Washington is now baked into the news ecosystem, and the last one was a record-breaker from Trump’s first term. Some Democrats say they are more worried than usual this time.

“Because there’s so little dialog and communication,” said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the minority whip.








This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted by TigerBalsagna
tRedStick
Member since Jan 2015
905 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:37 pm to
Frick em
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2836 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:39 pm to
Trump is doing what the Freedom Caucus has wanted for years. There’s no reason the House Republicans can’t pass this without Democrat votes.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12440 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:39 pm to
They won’t get it unless some Rs go along. Which they probably will.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
23473 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:44 pm to
The minority party usually gets hammered politically on government shutdowns. Let them
Have at it.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

Trump is doing what the Freedom Caucus has wanted for years. There’s no reason the House Republicans can’t pass this without Democrat votes.


Correct. What Trump is doing with DOGE gives them no excuses now. They should be worshipping President Trump
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39287 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:53 pm to
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Will we finally get the shutdown so many of us want? Yeah the squishes will bitch non stop about how the press will make it Trumps fault. SFP will taunt non-stop about how it will hurt the GOP. But most of us want it. Not just 2 weeks, not just 6 weeks, but how about a 6-9 month shutdown with no back pay. Fed employees are welcome to draw unemployment like the rest of civilization when they’re layed off. I think it happens this time. Trump don’t GAF and the country is ripe to see how meaningless a prolonged shutdown will be …


Elon and trump can still work during a shut down. Right?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18421 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:53 pm to
Wait, wait, after a decade now the dems suddenly want a "budget". This is getting hilarious the twists and turns they are taking.

They cant be forced back to work.....they protest their workspace is closed.

They complain about spending.....now they complain about cuts.

Its too funny.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
14549 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:12 pm to
Is it possible to shut down Rep Jamie Raskin’s life during this time?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111876 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:13 pm to
GOP needs to put those frickers on blast now and not 2 days before the deadline.
Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4736 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Elon and trump can still work during a shut down. Right?


Everyone can work during a shutdown, for free. Do you think they’re doing it for the money? I’ll bet you Trump and his staff already have a plan. Elon and Trump could float trumps team for a year with ease. Now is the time and this is the first of many hills to take a stand. Once again, the R’s better fall in line or be ready to be primaried. This isn’t your typical gvt shutdown fight. The MSM reputation is wrecked, DOGE has exposed the lies, fraud, abuse of power and more, and Trump is playing to win.

The question dems needs to ask themselves is, will their federal bureaucracy army go to work or will they stay home and allow Musk and Trump free reign over all their budgets, payments, money laundering and fraud.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
91787 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:20 pm to
Shut it down until all concessions are met by the left.

Until then, enjoy your time off.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79603 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:22 pm to

So the dems are threatening to shut down government spending????

Don't threaten me with a good time!
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79603 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Elon and trump can still work during a shut down.



Trump works for free now.
Posted by BamaTiger00
NOLA
Member since May 2006
886 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:39 pm to
Serious question. Isn’t a shutdown good for fed employees deemed nonessential? Basically a free vacation with guaranteed backpay?
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
889 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:45 pm to
We have already heard figures like $500 billion of spending on unauthorized or expired programs and $100 billion in questionable spending in Medicare and many, many transactions by Treasury that are not properly coded and documented.

If the president simply suspended all payments that fall under these criteria during a shutdown, and then did the typical shut down of non-essential departments, would a shutdown be that disruptive of an event? Especially, would it affect anyone outside of the beltway?

Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
9182 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:47 pm to
Back pay is not guaranteed. It’s been the MO of the past, but we’ve never had a wrecker like Trump 2.0 before. This is a season of first. Trump said as much about Gaza, ie past strategies get the same results, it’s time for a new approach.

I think government workers are in for some new trials. ‘Tis the season
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