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What the chances that we get rid of David Griffin?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:05 pm
This is the most embarrassing team in the league and it starts at the top. With Zion missing the team plane it’s the cherry on top. This clown was sold to us as basketball guru, he’s far from it Hopefully Gayle is fed up. I think Willie will be fired but I have zero confidence in Griffin making the right hire. I always thought that Dell Demps was the worst GM of all time. I was wrong
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:10 pm to BowDownToLSU
Season Ticket Renewals don’t happen until March I think. If you guys actually want a new GM, vote with your dollars.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:13 pm to TigerinATL
Season ticket sales are going to abysmal. I feel bad for ticket reps but how can you blame anyone?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:17 pm to BowDownToLSU
He needs to be the first to go. Dude is disgustingly mediocre at best
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:19 pm to Macintosh
He definitely needs to go before there is any attempt at a rebuild or coaching hire or anything like that.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:58 pm to BowDownToLSU
Been calling for him to be replaced for about 4 years now. Glad yall finally see the light….
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:59 pm to TigerinATL
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Season Ticket Renewals don’t happen until March I think. If you guys actually want a new GM, vote with your dollars.
I don’t have any, have a bunch of saints ones, but have two friends with some. They both already said they letting them go.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:06 pm to BowDownToLSU
He has been given ample time to fix this. He has failed miserably. Needs to be fired yesterday. And blow up the entire organization
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:18 pm to BowDownToLSU
Zero
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:18 pm to Townedrunkard
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They both already said they letting them go.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 9:22 am to BowDownToLSU
He’s been drafting well. Herb, Trey, Missi, maybe Hawk. All were solid picks at the spot he got them.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 9:50 am to saintslsupels
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Season ticket sales are going to abysmal
Both Saints and Pels renewals will be awful. It’s not a large enough market to forgive incompetence.
Sell both teams.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:31 am to YungFO
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He’s been drafting well. Herb, Trey, Missi, maybe Hawk. All were solid picks at the spot he got them.
He's also done well with contracts both extending the right guys and moving on from others. The Zion contract with off ramps for weight and games played was also well done. We're not in terrible shape. Even CJ's contract can become as asset expiring after next season.
My biggest complaint is coach decision making.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:33 am to BowDownToLSU
I don’t get the Griffin hate. We have drafted really well. Been able to get guys to extend on team friendly deals.
He’s had two absolutely delusional superstars/support systems to work with. BI thinks he’s a top 15 player and he’s not. Zion has been a child since being here.
I can see Griffin being looked at much differently if just one of the two handled business appropriately.
If we’d had these types of role players around a prime AD or CP3…
He’s had two absolutely delusional superstars/support systems to work with. BI thinks he’s a top 15 player and he’s not. Zion has been a child since being here.
I can see Griffin being looked at much differently if just one of the two handled business appropriately.
If we’d had these types of role players around a prime AD or CP3…
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:04 pm to ShamelessPel
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I don’t get the Griffin hate. We have drafted really well. Been able to get guys to extend on team friendly deals.
You are what your record says you are. Drafting really well is your opinion, both Gayle franchises with nearly worst records in their leagues is our reality.
The ownership and culture of both franchises is hopelessly broken.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:06 pm to Parrish
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He's also done well with contracts both extending the right guys and moving on from others. The Zion contract with off ramps for weight and games played was also well done. We're not in terrible shape. Even CJ's contract can become as asset expiring after next season. My biggest complaint is coach decision making.
All of this. He hasn’t made the best trades at times either, but overall on paper we have a good team with a bad coach. Yes he hired said coach, but from the rumors at the time he wanted someone different but trusted Trajan and Swin on hiring Willie. I’m fine with Griff staying, but we need a new hardnosed coach that will hold players accountable.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:08 pm to ShamelessPel
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I don’t get the Griffin hate.
His results are adequate, he has assembled sufficient talent around the best 2 stars available to him. However, his process is terrible. He is constantly behind the curve when he is paid to be ahead of the curve.
Imagine a timeline where he moved Lonzo immediately for the Phoenix pick that was reportedly available (Cam Johnson IIRC), really understood the lesson of SVG, that Zion and BI are incompatible because they need very different coaching and traded BI after his All Star season at peak value. You can play all kind of what if's from there, and probably even go back further and trade Jrue when you trade AD and do an OKC style true rebuild where you rent cap space for assets for a few years instead of burning picks to fail to compete.
Has Griffin's tenure been all bad? No. Are the stars mentalities, something he's not technically responsible for the main problems with this team? Yes. But that doesn't mean Griff is the right person for the job. I do recognize his luck and I personally wouldn't fire him until after the lottery, but if it weren't for that luck his process would have gotten him fired 3 years ago. It is time for a change.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:21 pm to Parrish
quote:this and he takes way too long to trade players as their value depreciates. Lonzo, BI, JJ. Griff also was afraid to make the big splash trade like KD or Lillard. He operates in this gray area of win now and keeping assets and it’s gotten us no where. We’ve done well with late round picks. But our lottery picks have not been great. Hayes, NAW (trading back was fricking dumb), Dyson who was horrible here offensively and honestly is still a horrible shooter, and Hawkins. It’s not good enough.
My biggest complaint is coach decision making.
And don’t forget he wanted to give Lowry a max contract. Some moves that HE wanted to make didn’t happen and would have been horrible
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:04 pm to BowDownToLSU
My biggest frustration is never wanting to have a subsequent bad season after having a franchise player.
Did we not learn the lesson about ad and trying to accelerate the process? You get capped instead of trying to build organically.
Did we not learn the lesson about ad and trying to accelerate the process? You get capped instead of trying to build organically.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:03 pm to htran90
The BI situation was handled terribly. He should have broken up the BI/Zion duo long ago. I gotta imagine that he should have seen the tea leaves behind the scenes.
That said, he’s more good than bad imo. Hes also doing EXACTLY what I would do in the situation we’re in. Blow it up. Keep the coach who is going to win you ping pong balls and teach your youth to be good honest men. Another coach could mess up the tank. There’s enough talent there. Announce that TM3, Herb, and Missi are your untouchables cause they’re your professional young talent who will work on adding to their craft. Let guys take time back from injury so frees up more playing time for the back of bench youth. Get CJ out of here for CJ’s sake. Get BI out of here for everyone’s sake.
I agree with it all, so I’m willing to see how it plays out.
That said, he’s more good than bad imo. Hes also doing EXACTLY what I would do in the situation we’re in. Blow it up. Keep the coach who is going to win you ping pong balls and teach your youth to be good honest men. Another coach could mess up the tank. There’s enough talent there. Announce that TM3, Herb, and Missi are your untouchables cause they’re your professional young talent who will work on adding to their craft. Let guys take time back from injury so frees up more playing time for the back of bench youth. Get CJ out of here for CJ’s sake. Get BI out of here for everyone’s sake.
I agree with it all, so I’m willing to see how it plays out.
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