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Is Bill Burr correct about the CEO murder?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:52 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:52 am
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Bill Burr blasts health insurance executives as 'gangsters' in rant over Brian Thompson's murder
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:57 am to Geekboy
There are a lot of reasons healthcare is fricked.
We subsidize prescriptions for the rest of the world.
We have retarded roles in hospitals like "diversity officers".
Bloated administrations all over.
Illegals getting care.
High healthcare demand because we are a fat, unhealthy country.
Out of control pricing by physicians.
"Bribes" from pharma in form of "conferences".
On and on.
Insurance industry colludes with government to frick us, but they aren't the only villain here.
We subsidize prescriptions for the rest of the world.
We have retarded roles in hospitals like "diversity officers".
Bloated administrations all over.
Illegals getting care.
High healthcare demand because we are a fat, unhealthy country.
Out of control pricing by physicians.
"Bribes" from pharma in form of "conferences".
On and on.
Insurance industry colludes with government to frick us, but they aren't the only villain here.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:10 am to Privateer 2007
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There are a lot of reasons healthcare is fricked.
We subsidize prescriptions for the rest of the world.
We have retarded roles in hospitals like "diversity officers".
Bloated administrations all over.
Illegals getting care.
High healthcare demand because we are a fat, unhealthy country.
Out of control pricing by physicians.
"Bribes" from pharma in form of "conferences".
On and on.
Insurance industry colludes with government to frick us, but they aren't the only villain here.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:12 am to Privateer 2007
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High healthcare demand because we are a fat, unhealthy country.
No one cares but the above is north of 70 percent of healthcare expenditures.
But people get mad about the tiny pieces and tacitly approve murder now.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:13 am to Bard
quote:What are the bribes?
"Bribes" from pharma in form of "conferences"
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:16 am to Geekboy
It was a hit reminiscent of Paul Castellano at Sparks steakhouse.
Since the guy traveled from ATL. My guess is an Antifa member from Stop Cop City.
Since the guy traveled from ATL. My guess is an Antifa member from Stop Cop City.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:21 am to Geekboy
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Bill Burr blasts health insurance executives as 'gangsters' in rant over Brian Thompson's murder
He's wrong.
Bill is an old New England liberal. Of course he hates people richer than he.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:23 am to Man4others
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Since the guy traveled from ATL. My guess is an Antifa member from Stop Cop City
Probably an 80% chance or higher.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:25 am to Privateer 2007
quote:Actually in most instances, the insurance industry and government are the villains here.
Insurance industry colludes with government to frick us, but they aren't the only villain here.
Listening to the SOB UnitedHealth Group CEO implying that UHG has one damn thing to do with quality of medical care is sickening. The fact UHG purchased an AI tool designed to aid payment efficiency, then converted it to to root out rationale for denials is absurd. They then convoluted the appeals process to such an extent that despite 1 in 8 claims being denied, only 1 in 1000 of those denials are able to even enter the appeal process. Customers pay up front for promised services which UHG knows it will often not cover.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:29 am to roadGator
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No one cares but the above is north of 70 percent of healthcare expenditures.
M A H A
We can’t live on Mountain Dew and fruit loops and expect for pills to fix it.
We have to eat healthy and move around period.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:33 am to Geekboy
He's a funny guy, and like all good comedians makes some salient points through humor. But I wouldn't confuse that with wisdom.
Insurance is risk management. At the end of the day there has to be enough money in the pool to cover the costs of care. Sure, they could deny fewer claims, but then everyone's premiums would increase.
In addition, each player in the healthcare system is incentivized to generate as many claims as it possibly can. And there is no shortage of bogus 'care" simply to generate an ICD11 code that is billable.
Blaming one CEO and rationalizing his killing because the system is overly expensive and littered with perverse incentives accomplishes nothing.
Insurance is risk management. At the end of the day there has to be enough money in the pool to cover the costs of care. Sure, they could deny fewer claims, but then everyone's premiums would increase.
In addition, each player in the healthcare system is incentivized to generate as many claims as it possibly can. And there is no shortage of bogus 'care" simply to generate an ICD11 code that is billable.
Blaming one CEO and rationalizing his killing because the system is overly expensive and littered with perverse incentives accomplishes nothing.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:35 am to Privateer 2007
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High healthcare demand because we are a fat, unhealthy country.
And we are an old population and getting older.
The last year of life is usually the most expensive in terms of healthcare costs.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:39 am to Jake88
Yeah, not so much anymore. But I would suspect that since so many doctors are employees of health systems, there is probably financial incentives further up the chain.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:42 am to NC_Tigah
And, that's them dealing with you as an "honest" player.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:44 am to Wildcat1996
quote:This is the foundation of insurance and something most people do not understand. Instead, they equate insurance with 'something for nothing'. That said, insurance companies clearly engage in a lot of sketchy shite, and the healthcare system is riddled with moral hazards and conflicts that incent all kinds of awful behaviors by all the parties involved.
Insurance is risk management.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:45 am to tide06
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M A H A
Nannyism
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:46 am to KiwiHead
Incentives from a drug company or the health system?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:56 am to Wildcat1996
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Blaming one CEO and rationalizing his killing because the system is overly expensive and littered with perverse incentives accomplishes nothing.
Some great points in this thread but I think I am most aligned with you. The entire system is built on increasing claims and premiums.
Health insurance is not actually insurance. It’s a firewall to an incredibly bloated and inefficient industry.
Common problem in our economy that is perhaps most amplified in healthcare: people that are not qualified to provide the product/service directing the pricing and other economic factors. Services and products that were once good quality and provided good value have been infiltrated by middlemen that have sucked all profit out, and are now destroying the equity of the product itself.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nannyism
We currently give away coke and potato chips to poor people on assistance who we then have to turn around and pay again to cover their diabetes strips, heart pills and other secondary meds related to their obesity.
If alternatively we reduce the sugar from their diet by taking soft drinks and candy off the list of approved food stamp list while taking harmful chemicals out of the food supply chain you’re reducing future health care costs and improving outcomes.
Just replacing horrible processed vegetable oils with beef tallow like we used to have at fast food restaurants would save thousands of lives per year.
If you want sugar water no worries, but you pay for it not taxpayers.
Going to a public beach in the summer or even walking into a Walmart is ******* sad when you look at 12 year olds who are 70 pounds overweight waddling next to their obese mom and siblings.
It has to change.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:01 am to NC_Tigah
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Listening to the SOB UnitedHealth Group CEO implying that UHG has one damn thing to do with quality of medical care is sickening. The fact UHG purchased an AI tool designed to aid payment efficiency, then converted it to to root out rationale for denials is absurd. They then convoluted the appeals process to such an extent that despite 1 in 8 claims being denied, only 1 in 1000 of those denials are able to even enter the appeal process. Customers pay up front for promised services which UHG knows it will often not cover.
I've heard from many people that say UHG is the worst company to deal with and a lot of it came from the top down and that this guy was the worst guy there
From using AI to auto-deny claims (with a 95% error rate in favor of UHG), changing the claims forms 6 times a year so when something was submitted for payment, the person submitting it would hear back 30 days later that they had submitted the 'old' form and needed to resubmit the new form
Using perfectly legal means to delay the process unnecessarily should get you shot in the back
Think about this, he sacrificed tons for his company, missing an enormous amount of time with his friends and family to move up and get ahead.. all to get gunned down on the sidewalk, and have the Board replace him immediately at the same meeting he didn't make, by people who walked past his dead body to get inside. I wonder if they rolled his body to get the company cell phone off of him and take back their keycards before they could haul his remains away
Loyalty to and sacrificing for a company are loser traits, put your family, friends, and yourself first, the company can go to hell
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