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Is the golden age of LSU sports waning?
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:16 pm
I had the opportunity to speak with several of the LSU coaches over the last few weeks. None of them said it directly, but get the impression that unless there are some major changes in the NIL world, LSU won't be able to compete for the top notch players in the future, we just don't have access to the kind of money it's going to take.
Not that this is directly applicable. but in the 60's the NFL had a problem. Player salaries were going up due to competing with the AFL for talent. In 1965 the Jets paid $400K for Joe Namath, this was unheard of, most players had to get jobs in the off-season to make ends meet.
The AFL and the NFL wanted to merge, but there would certainly be sued because of obvious anti-trust violations. By "coincidence" there was a city that wanted an NFL franchise, this city was in a state that had the two most powerful congressmen around, that city was New Orleans, the congressmen were Rep. Hale Boggs and Sen. Russell Long.
Obviously, New Orleans got the Saints, the NFL got their anti-trust exemption and the merger was on, everyone lived happily ever after. Eventually there was a salary cap which saved the owners from themselves, but the wealthiest franchises and the smallest franchises could compete on equal footing.
All I'm saying is that college football needs rules on NIL, the courts said that the players have a right to earn as much as they can, I'm not a lawyer but if college football had an anti-trust exemption, it would be a lot easier to regulate NIL.
Not that this is directly applicable. but in the 60's the NFL had a problem. Player salaries were going up due to competing with the AFL for talent. In 1965 the Jets paid $400K for Joe Namath, this was unheard of, most players had to get jobs in the off-season to make ends meet.
The AFL and the NFL wanted to merge, but there would certainly be sued because of obvious anti-trust violations. By "coincidence" there was a city that wanted an NFL franchise, this city was in a state that had the two most powerful congressmen around, that city was New Orleans, the congressmen were Rep. Hale Boggs and Sen. Russell Long.
Obviously, New Orleans got the Saints, the NFL got their anti-trust exemption and the merger was on, everyone lived happily ever after. Eventually there was a salary cap which saved the owners from themselves, but the wealthiest franchises and the smallest franchises could compete on equal footing.
All I'm saying is that college football needs rules on NIL, the courts said that the players have a right to earn as much as they can, I'm not a lawyer but if college football had an anti-trust exemption, it would be a lot easier to regulate NIL.
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:19 pm to andouille
Pay your share and get investors to invest in LSU as a business.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:21 pm to andouille
Sorta. LSU has automatic built-in disadvantages in the NIL era. LSU can't compete with big markets on NIL. It's simply impossible in Louisiana. It would take some unbelievably creative thinking sponsorship wise to get around this. Athletes like Dunne marketed themselves. It's not LSU or Louisiana helping it. When an athlete goes to Los Angeles like Stewart did he has more opportunity there.
It's as simple as that. You might have the bag money to compete but you don't have the market where players can make even more money easier for themselves for sponsorship endorsements. Raisin Canes and an injury attorney only gets you so far. Those universities like Oregon can sell more than LSU now. They have more money but they also have way bigger sponsorship opportunities.
The only thing you have in LSU's favor is competitive bids and that's about it. You're not getting endorsements unless you're incredibly smart at marketing yourself which requires more work to do.
It's as simple as that. You might have the bag money to compete but you don't have the market where players can make even more money easier for themselves for sponsorship endorsements. Raisin Canes and an injury attorney only gets you so far. Those universities like Oregon can sell more than LSU now. They have more money but they also have way bigger sponsorship opportunities.
The only thing you have in LSU's favor is competitive bids and that's about it. You're not getting endorsements unless you're incredibly smart at marketing yourself which requires more work to do.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:21 pm to andouille
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Is the golden age of LSU sports waning?
Ask Johnson, Mulkey, Clark, and McMahon if they feel like their programs are waning
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:24 pm to andouille
Something is going to have to happen. It might be possible that with the inception of profit sharing, maybe NIL will go back to the spirit of it rather than what the schools applied with collective and such. The NCAA, feckless as it may be, could still have an FBS football national championship, and they could still make rules on amateurs. The problem with the NCAA is that is is filled with bureaucrats apparently, or the like, which has no mechanism for forward thinking, or thinking at all really.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:25 pm to andouille
Baseball isn’t. We the shite. Big Game Brian sucks. That is all 
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:25 pm to MrWalkingMan
In all fairness, I think he's talking about football as a whole which is the money sport and where the big money is. Those are smaller sports and most universities really don't care how they do in sports that don't make money.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:26 pm to andouille
Someone smart will always find an opportunity in any market. If the leadership cant figure it out than they are not fit for their respective roles
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:29 pm to andouille
I genuinely don't understand the assumption that LSU cannot compete in the NIL era. In the previous era of CFB, LSU was at the forefront of the facilities' arms race: expansions to TS, locker rooms, practice spaces, administration buildings, student athlete centers. I'm not certain why we would fall behind now. I've never seen any objective data that shows we have less money to spend in the aggregate on players, just inferences and deductions that often feel like projections of Louisiana's inferiority complex. And I have a hard time believing LSU has less money at its disposal than schools like Ole Miss.
I'll wait to make a judgment until I see some hard data supporting the conclusion that LSU is financially constrained in recruiting. The most telling data would be how much each school's aggregate roster is being paid each year from all sources. I've never seen any figures like that.
I'll wait to make a judgment until I see some hard data supporting the conclusion that LSU is financially constrained in recruiting. The most telling data would be how much each school's aggregate roster is being paid each year from all sources. I've never seen any figures like that.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:31 pm to andouille
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Is the golden age of LSU sports waning?
LSU Sports?
We've won titles in baseball, WBB and Gym the last two years. NIL played a role in bringing in the talent for the first two, while arguably the most famous NIL athlete was on the other.
Football?
Yeah
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:31 pm to DmitriKaramazov
Endorsements. Show me how LSU can compete in bigger markets on endorsements? NIL was suppose to be used the way LSU uses it in that the athletes market themselves. Someone like Olivia's venture into NIL is how it's suppose to be done. That's now what's happening right now though. You just getting billion dollar boosters to use their companies to market athletes and have crazy endorsement money flowing through. It's not the same thing it was pre NIL which is why NCAA has a ton of parity right now and the SEC no longer dominates.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:34 pm to andouille
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Obviously, New Orleans got the Saints, the NFL got their anti-trust exemption and the merger was on, everyone lived happily ever after.
It's interesting that you bring up NOLA, because they got the right QB and won a championship. That's football, and it applies to college football almost every year.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:36 pm to jrodLSUke
Is it comparable though? What you have in NCAA is worse than the NFL right now because it's uncapped FA every single year with 1 year rentals and no contracts.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:37 pm to andouille
No. Just bc we have a below average coaching staff in football doesn’t mean baseball and basketball will suck. We have solid staffs there
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:37 pm to MrWalkingMan
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Ask Johnson, Mulkey, Clark, and McMahon if they feel like their programs are waning
Agree. But I know Johnson has told people that we are far behind where schools like Texas and A&M are NIL baseball wise. That's why the money from the coaches committee has started going to that now.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:37 pm to andouille
Honestly, LSU likely won’t be a consistent top tier football program.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:40 pm to andouille
We thought it was over after 1/9 and the Yeldon game, yet 2019 happened.
Baseball is going to continue to be a juggernaut under Jay - still not sold on Kelly and McMahon but we’ll see.
Baseball is going to continue to be a juggernaut under Jay - still not sold on Kelly and McMahon but we’ll see.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:45 pm to andouille
We simply don’t have the amount of wealthy alumni/boosters that some of these other schools have. It doesn’t matter who the head coach is, this program will fall into obscurity unless an extremely wealthy donor steps up and contributes.
With the direction the NIL system is headed right now, teams in poorer states that lack wealth will struggle to keep pace. Programs like Alabama are extreme outliers.
With the direction the NIL system is headed right now, teams in poorer states that lack wealth will struggle to keep pace. Programs like Alabama are extreme outliers.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:46 pm to friendlyobservation
quote:or the Louisiana economy turns around
It's simply impossible in Louisiana. It would take some unbelievably creative thinking sponsorship wise to get around this.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:52 pm to andouille
quote:They did and they do. NIL can’t be used as pay for play but it is easily skirted and there’s nothing the NCAA can do about it. The fact that it can’t be controlled is why involvement in it previously resulted in loss of eligibility.
All I'm saying is that college football needs rules on NIL
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