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The Athletic article on Missi

Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:45 pm
Will has a piece up on Missi: LINK

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if there’s one bright spot to take away from all the dark clouds hanging over the Pelicans in recent weeks, it’s been the surprising emergence of Missi and the experience he’s gained from situations like this.

“It’s great for him to get these minutes and these experiences early in the season. It’s going to pay off huge for him as we progress throughout the year,” Pelicans coach Willie Green said. “We expect this is going to pay off for him in the long run.”

But Missi hasn’t been getting playing time because there aren’t enough bodies available. He’s shown steady improvement just about every time he’s stepped on the floor, and he’s proven to be the most effective center on the roster by a wide margin.

Coming into the season, the belief was the Pels would try to avoid using their centers as much as possible because they lacked reliable options that could be effective playing 30-plus minutes per night.

It certainly feels like Missi will be the starting center in New Orleans for the rest of the season (and perhaps for the foreseeable future) even when all the injured players start coming back.

He’s shown he can make an impact from day one with his energy, rim protection and vertical spacing. While it was apparent he had the physical gifts to provide those things, his feel for the game is much more advanced than some people expected from someone who didn’t start playing organized basketball until he was 15.

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At the start of training camp, it was clear Missi still had a lot to learn about the little things centers must grasp when entering the NBA: defending without fouling, screening effectively, spacing the floor, etc. Having great size and athleticism isn’t enough to earn consistent minutes.

However, one of the qualities the coaching staff and his teammates have raved about the most since Missi’s arrival is how quickly he’s retained information and immediately applied it to what he’s doing on the floor. By the end of training camp, some members of the coaching staff couldn’t believe how much his game developed in a short time before the start of the regular season.

“It’s special. You don’t find many sponges who can absorb information and apply it to the next game or apply it to the moment,” Pelicans star Brandon Ingram said. “We’re happy that we have him and we can count on him to defend and make the right plays on the offensive end.”

His steady growth and improved understanding of the game have allowed him to become more productive in recent weeks. Over the last four games, he’s averaging 10.3 points and 10 rebounds, grabbing double-digit boards in three of those four games.

Among rookies, he’s second in rebounds (94), third in blocks (16) and sixth in minutes (329). He’s also played the second-most minutes of any Pelicans player this season. Missi’s fluid movement in the open floor and explosive athleticism were the biggest reasons he became an intriguing first-round prospect for a lot of teams after his one year at Baylor. Still, what the Pelicans have enjoyed most about his development is how quickly he’s picked up some of the smaller details that gave him issues a few months ago.

He went from fouling uncontrollably in the preseason to never having more than three fouls in his first 14 games. His defensive rebounding numbers have gradually gone up over time. His footwork is also pretty underrated, and he’ll bust out a move now and then that leaves unsuspecting defenders in the dust.



The article also discusses some areas where Missi still needs to improve, especially his ballhandling and passing.
Posted by Doink
VA
Member since Sep 2012
415 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:16 pm to
It’s so refreshing to see Missi grow every game compared to the bigs of the past. J. Hayes had the physical tools, but lacked the mental growth needed to be an efficient player.

Big win of the offseason with Missi. Changes our potential trade targets immensely.
Posted by Ijuschill1
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2023
725 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:55 pm to
If we are still a viable playoff contender mid-season, I would still want another Center to go along with Missi.. We don't have to get a All-Starish Center with Missi's rapid development, but if nothing else, would love one that challenges Missi in practice and able to possibly add a different look, maybe slightly more skilled offensively.
But, yeah, Missi appears to be a starter level Center with the potential to possibly be an All-Star quality big.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17334 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:09 pm to
Everyone that called him the second coming of Jaxson Hayes should be ashamed of themselves and apologize.

Sorry Yves
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We don't have to get a All-Starish Center with Missi's rapid development, but if nothing else, would love one that challenges Missi in practice and able to possibly add a different look, maybe slightly more skilled offensively.

The more I look the less I find trade partners that could use CJ or BI (our two best tradable salaries), mainly because of 2nd apron restrictions.

One that stands out to me though with the salary to trade would be Detroit, could be a trade Trajan would be willing to pull the trigger on since they are sort of overachieving, and could push for the play in.

Detroit: CJ, JRE or Theis
Pels: Stewart, THJ

THJ gives us a bench guard that can step in whenever we need a spark, but we don’t have to play him, and Stewart gives us a physical although undersized center that can hit the 3 that gives us a change of pace guy from Yves. No picks required as I think it would be pretty fair trade.

Also gets us out of the tax and once Nowell is waived allows us to convert Boston to a full deal.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 7:19 pm
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13774 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:02 pm to
One of the few picks I liked from Griff. Said in the draft thread, big men in the draft can be tricky. Good ones get picked late all the time. I thought it would take him 2-3 years to get serious mins. Suprised he’s developed this fast.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 9:03 pm
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:43 pm to
What can we get for Zion and CJ?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17334 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 5:04 am to
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What can we get for Zion and CJ?

Right now you’re not getting enough back in a deal to warrant a Zion trade. Too many teams that would be interested in him are too limited with either lack of salary to send back, or the apron restrictions.

Unless again, someone like Detroit comes along.

It will be hard going to make big trades from here on.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20671 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:16 am to
Zion trade ideas right now are just dumb, but I understand the sentiment.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4318 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:19 am to
Missi's lack of fouling as a rookie big is a shocker. I don't think anyone would have even blamed him if he was a foul machine because most rookie bigs are.

Griff knocked it out the park with Missi. He's a rare draft pick that fills a need immediately and has high upside
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:21 am to
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Right now you’re not getting enough back in a deal to warrant a Zion trade.


You never will. Deron Williams is the only pre-emptive star trade I can remember and they only traded him because he killed off a beloved coaching legend. They also didn't exactly get a premium for trading him early.

We really need to see what this team looks like with Dejounte as the engine. This is a talented team. There are enough pieces for Murray to work with that you should be able to handle Zion and BI missing 20 games a year, and letting Hawk/Boston/Trey replace CJ's production is how you avoid the tax for another year or 2. As I said before, Missi completely changes the team building math.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 8:23 am
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:44 am to
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There are enough pieces for Murray to work with that you should be able to handle Zion and BI missing 20 games a year


Building a team around your stars constantly missing games isn’t how I want this franchise operate. Its what we’ve done for 6 years and it hasn’t work. Heres a thought maybe lets get stars that actively want to be the best version of themselves, stay healthy and be the leaders they’re paid to be. I don’t want to keep running this back with BI and Zion. I think that ship has sailed.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:18 am to
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Building a team around your stars constantly missing games isn’t how I want this franchise operate.


Nobody wants that, but beggars can't be choosers. We couldn't even find a worthwhile trade for Ingram. Trading Zion without getting a star level player back is not some addition by subtraction situation. One trick pony or not, he still is one of the few players in the league with enough gravity to move all 5 defenders.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20671 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:43 am to
Right. Our only chance for a title in the next 6-7 years is with Zion, even if that chance is small.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:03 pm to
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Nobody wants that, but beggars can't be choosers. We couldn't even find a worthwhile trade for Ingram. Trading Zion without getting a star level player back is not some addition by subtraction situation. One trick pony or not, he still is one of the few players in the league with enough gravity to move all 5 defenders.


So your solution is since we can’t get a superstar in return for Zion to constantly build around this same guy- who is always injured, immature and hasn’t developed any additional skillset. Granted we’ve done this for 6 years and failed. I think this is the definition of basketball insanity. At some point- you have to say the Zion thing was a failure and move on.

And this whole gravity that he can move all 5 defenders- I’m not so sure. His efficiency continues to go down every year. His conditioning and defense are completely inconsistent. Good defenses regularly stifle Zion. Zion doesn’t even score close to 30 pts a game anymore. Not to mention the guy misses a ridiculous amouny of games. Again I just don’t see why we’re holding onto this guy? Its ok to start over and find the next star. I don’t need 3 more years of this kind of BS.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:05 pm to
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Right. Our only chance for a title in the next 6-7 years is with Zion, even if that chance is small.


Its not. There are ways to get stars in this league. Trying to build around Zion constantly in the next 6-7 years will just set this franchise further back of ever being a contender. Zion just isn’t the guy and its ok as a fanbase to admit this.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:16 pm to
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I think this is the definition of basketball insanity.


No, it's the definition of being a mediocre, small market NBA franchise. Welcome to being a Pels fan.

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Again I just don’t see why we’re holding onto this guy?


Who are you trading him for? Tank for Cooper Flag? Hope is not a plan, especially with the flattened lottery odds.

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I don’t need 3 more years of this kind of BS.


If the Pels don't have 6 of their top 7 players go down at the same time the team is at least .500, we're probably excited about the new Murray/Missi 2 man game. BI is shooting more 3s, and we're just waiting for Zion to put the Pels over the top. But we did have an unbelievable amount of players get injured at the same time and we aren't .500, so people are lashing out and wanting change for the sake of change without considering that it actually can get worse than where we're at right now waiting for a very talented team to get healthy.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:28 pm to
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No, it's the definition of being a mediocre, small market NBA franchise. Welcome to being a Pels fan.


You just don’t accept being mediocre because you’re in a small market. Look at OKC, Memphis or San Antonio. This is such misconception. “Hey since you live in nola you have to accept having a shitty basketball team.”

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Who are you trading him for? Tank for Cooper Flag? Hope is not a plan, especially with the flattened lottery odds


You assume we HAVE to get a star back in return and it has to be a number one pick for that player to be a star. Again a silly misconception- look at the stars around the league. There are several who weren’t number one picks. Different ways to attain stars.

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f the Pels don't have 6 of their top 7 players go down at the same time the team is at least .500, we're probably excited about the new Murray/Missi 2 man game. BI is shooting more 3s, and we're just waiting for Zion to put the Pels over the top.


So we’re excited for the team to be .500 and basically be the same version of team from last year?

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so people are lashing out and wanting change for the sake of change without considering that it actually can get worse than where we're at right now waiting for a very talented team to get healthy.


Oh so you don’t want change because you’re afraid we won’t be a play-in team anymore?

I’m sorry your whole premise in your posts is to be happy we’re mediocre and struggling to make the play-in with an injured Zion because as nola basketball team we shouldn’t expect more. I think this crap is exactly whats wrong with our team. There is no long term vision of winning because we’re so scared of the short term results. Its better to be mediocre or slightly competitive than actually have a real shot at a championship.

This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:27 pm to
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One of the few picks I liked from Griff. Said in the draft thread, big men in the draft can be tricky.
Interesting since Griff has drafted well.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:27 pm to
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but I understand the sentiment
Who woulda thunk it!
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13774 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:08 am to
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Interesting since Griff has drafted well.


Picking Jax over Garland is drafting well?
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