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Why are NFL scouts so useless?
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:44 pm
Is there any real skill to it? They miss on players constantly. I would get fired quickly if I was that bad at my job. lol
Anthony Richardson is the best recent example. The dude sucked in college and was very inconsistent. However, the Indianapolis Colts selected him with their 1st round draft choice solely based on his potential because of his physical characteristics.
Unsurprisingly, he sucks in the NFL and gets benched halfway through his 2nd season. It’s as if everyone knew this guy would suck except for NFL scouts.
I want to know how to get in on being an NFL scout. It’s ok to be wrong most of the time and it can lead to greater jobs down the road that pay big-time bank.
Anthony Richardson is the best recent example. The dude sucked in college and was very inconsistent. However, the Indianapolis Colts selected him with their 1st round draft choice solely based on his potential because of his physical characteristics.
Unsurprisingly, he sucks in the NFL and gets benched halfway through his 2nd season. It’s as if everyone knew this guy would suck except for NFL scouts.
I want to know how to get in on being an NFL scout. It’s ok to be wrong most of the time and it can lead to greater jobs down the road that pay big-time bank.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 9:46 pm
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:46 pm to cbree88
I think it’s less to do with scouting and more to do with coaches believing they can “fix” guys.
I can promise you those scouts saw the same things we all did, and relayed them to the coaches.
I can promise you those scouts saw the same things we all did, and relayed them to the coaches.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:46 pm to cbree88
When you figure it out, let me know.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:47 pm to cbree88
Maybe they even out their worth when they hit on a fourth or fifth rounder who makes significant contributions.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:50 pm to cbree88
It's about drafting guys that have things you CAN'T teach, with the hopes that you'll help them develop the things you CAN teach.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:52 pm to cbree88
I think many times it is due to overthinking. Any idiot could see how flawed Richardson was. Scouts desperately convinced themselves that he had a high ceiling due to his “tools”. I think these guys fall in love with traits or players and stop looking at these guys objectively.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:52 pm to castorinho
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It's about drafting guys that have things you CAN'T teach, with the hopes that you'll help them develop the things you CAN teach.
Exactly. They see the next Cam Newton/Josh Allen in Richardson, IF they can fix his issues (accuracy and decision making).
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:53 pm to cbree88
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Is there any real skill to it? They miss on players constantly. I would get fired quickly if I was that bad at my job. lol
Anthony Richardson is the best recent example. The dude sucked in college and was very inconsistent. However, the Indianapolis Colts selected him with their 1st round draft choice solely based on his potential because of his physical characteristics.
Are we certain the scouts pushed Richardson?
Based on physical traits this pick looks it’s from head coach or owner. I am surprised Jerry didn’t try to trade up to draft him. He might have, but his son stopped him like with Manzeil.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:54 pm to castorinho
quote:In theory that approach makes sense.
It's about drafting guys that have things you CAN'T teach, with the hopes that you'll help them develop the things you CAN teach.
But then again, Brady was a pretty average athlete at best (by NFL standards).
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:54 pm to TexasTiger08
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I think many times it is due to overthinking. Any idiot could see how flawed Richardson was. Scouts desperately convinced themselves that he had a high ceiling due to his “tools”. I think these guys fall in love with traits or players and stop looking at these guys objectively.
Have an upvote. This is a pretty good take in my opinion.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:57 pm to castorinho
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It's about drafting guys that have things you CAN'T teach, with the hopes that you'll help them develop the things you CAN teach.
I think they should take a more holistic approach and evaluate the entire player instead of just his physical attributes.
It’s the same concept as missing the forest for the trees.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:57 pm to cbree88
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Unsurprisingly, he sucks in the NFL and gets benched halfway through his 2nd season.
If Flacco is going to play like this then they made a mistake benching Richardson.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:59 pm to saintsfan22
Flacco still has a really good game once in a while, and he has proven in the past that he can do it.
Richardson on the other hand has always been a bum in both college and the NFL.
Richardson on the other hand has always been a bum in both college and the NFL.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:01 pm to cbree88
I compare it to picking individual stocks, which is extremely difficult if not impossible to be consistently successful at over time.
Fund managers that pick stocks almost always lose when compared to broader indexes as time goes on and there is no way to index a draft.
Fund managers that pick stocks almost always lose when compared to broader indexes as time goes on and there is no way to index a draft.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:12 pm to cbree88
Starts with the GM they work for.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:20 pm to cbree88
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I think they should take a more holistic approach and evaluate the entire player instead of just his physical attributes. It’s the same concept as missing the forest for the trees.
That’s how Carolina picked Bryce Young… they saw he had everything except for a body that could physically compete in the NFL
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:21 pm to S
The entire Chiefs organization had to be convinced Patrick Mahomes was their next QB.
Brett Veach found him while scouting an OLineman for Texas Tech 2 yrs before his draft. Some guys are really good. Some guys aren't, just like every job field.
Brett Veach found him while scouting an OLineman for Texas Tech 2 yrs before his draft. Some guys are really good. Some guys aren't, just like every job field.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:30 pm to chalmetteowl
Nah. Evaluating the entire player holistically would have told them this is not an NFL caliber QB.
You take all pieces of the pie into consideration with a holistic approach; not just one or the other. Physical attributes and what’s upstairs in your head are equally important.
You take all pieces of the pie into consideration with a holistic approach; not just one or the other. Physical attributes and what’s upstairs in your head are equally important.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:40 pm to cbree88
NFL teams reach for tons of reasons but specific to why teams reach on QB’s, it’s important to remember that teams picking at the top of the draft are typically always drafting near the top and have sucked for awhile. They know they need a QB to have even a remote chance so they reach in hopes that they may luck out and hit on a savior for their franchise. It’s the unquenchable thirst for a franchise QB that causes so many to reach.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:53 pm to JiminyCricket
Getting way too caught up in measurables versus character/IQ/tape has ruined a many careers in every sport.
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