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Kelly/Sloan offense requires dual threat QB
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:23 am
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:23 am
With the talent that we have on the offensive line, you have to assume that the offensive scheme cant support a running game from the RB alone. Without the threat of the QB taking off, it does not put enough pressure on certain parts of the defense to create the proper holes and cut back lanes.
I'm no offensive guru, but does this make sense to anyone else? I have to believe that our Oline out-talents too many opposing defenses to simply be bad. Theres no way that we struggle to run the ball against Nicholls, USC, and A&M because we cant match the opposing talent or scheme.
I'm no offensive guru, but does this make sense to anyone else? I have to believe that our Oline out-talents too many opposing defenses to simply be bad. Theres no way that we struggle to run the ball against Nicholls, USC, and A&M because we cant match the opposing talent or scheme.
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Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:42 am to ChuckUFarley
If their offense requires a dual threat qb then they bad coaches.
Half the country has runs designed to go away from NFL DTs that they can't block.
What makes it even worse is you have a 10 second flat 100m RB.
Half the country has runs designed to go away from NFL DTs that they can't block.
What makes it even worse is you have a 10 second flat 100m RB.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 7:43 am
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:56 am to tenderfoot tigah
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What makes it even worse is you have a 10 second flat 100m RB.
While this is true, I dont think a 9 second guy could get to the edge on some of these defenses. They are just too fast to beat to the edge without pausing them with the threat of the qb keeping the ball. We dont have that at the moment so there is not pause by the edge man and we will not get around him without a crack block or something of that nature
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:08 am to ChuckUFarley
i personally would prefer a joe burrow over a jayden daniels... i want RBS to rush... not a QB... I want a surgeon throwing the ball to our 200 WRs we have in this state to make plays and have a OC that is sharp enough to break up a defense....
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:10 am to ChuckUFarley
That's exactly right, the offense we are running requires a run threat from the QB position.
The question is, why are we running it. Are our coaches "one trick ponies"? If so, we need to move on from them. A great coach adapts to his talent. Nuss would be just fine in an offense that offers more of a power run/play pass game. We have big talented backs that can catch and we have three legit TE's that can block and catch.
Also, the notion that a QB makes a "Jump," from one year to the next is misleading. Joe Burrow did not make a "Jump", he was just put into a scheme that maximize his talent and the talent around him.
The question is, why are we running it. Are our coaches "one trick ponies"? If so, we need to move on from them. A great coach adapts to his talent. Nuss would be just fine in an offense that offers more of a power run/play pass game. We have big talented backs that can catch and we have three legit TE's that can block and catch.
Also, the notion that a QB makes a "Jump," from one year to the next is misleading. Joe Burrow did not make a "Jump", he was just put into a scheme that maximize his talent and the talent around him.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:12 am to TigerFan55555
Meh...you have to run to move the sticks. Joe Burrow had ~400 yds rushing both years when here. Nuss not taking off is what is holding this offense back in more ways than one.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:17 am to ChuckUFarley
No matter what personnel he has, Sloan would benefit by better play selection
Second down is never a throw away down….
Second down is never a throw away down….
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:17 am to ChuckUFarley
Nuss just is not good. He is too careless with the ball. period
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:18 am to JR
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The question is, why are we running it. Are our coaches "one trick ponies"? If so, we need to move on from them. A great coach adapts to his talent. Nuss would be just fine in an offense that offers more of a power run/play pass game. We have big talented backs that can catch and we have three legit TE's that can block and catch.
This is what scares me. I know we cant go back to an I formation snap under center type team in todays game, but we have to scheme up better ways to rush the ball
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Meh...you have to run to move the sticks. Joe Burrow had ~400 yds rushing both years when here. Nuss not taking off is what is holding this offense back in more ways than one.
This! He doesnt have to be a great runner, just a threat at least 4-5 times a game. You would think that as instinctual as Nuss is throwing the ball, he would be equally when running the ball.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 8:21 am
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:20 am to ChuckUFarley
They also need to learn how to run block.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 10:58 am to MicahTiger
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Meh...you have to run to move the sticks. Joe Burrow had ~400 yds rushing both years when here. Nuss not taking off is what is holding this offense back in more ways than one.
Im not against nuss taking off here and there but thats not his MO... and QBs will get hurt doing that...its not their job most of the time... I loved Jayden, hes a great QB but he got walloped a couple times and had to leave the game... WRs grow on trees in LA, we can always find a RB.. let the RB take the hits...not the QB... Burrow was illusive... he wasnt a dual threat... nuss could practice on his allusivness skills, sure... ill agree there.. but i still want a QB to be a thrower first... thats his job...
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:02 am to TigerFan55555
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ill agree there.. but i still want a QB to be a thrower first... thats his job...
I agree, but thats not the Kelly/ Sloan offense. IF they felt that way, they should have adjusted the run game to fit that M.O. They are trying to use a run game that requires a mobile QB without having a mobile QB. That doesnt work.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:08 am to nitwit
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No matter what personnel he has, Sloan would benefit by better play selection
Second down is never a throw away down….
I don’t have a problem running on 2nd & 10. There’s a big difference between needing to convert 3rd & 5 vs. 3rd & 10.
If you have no chance of gaining 4-6 yards on the ground, why run the ball at all? At that point we may as well go 100% pass.
The root of the problem isn’t running on 2nd & 10, it’s not being able to run in the first place.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:11 am to ChuckUFarley
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They are trying to use a run game that requires a mobile QB without having a mobile QB.
It looks that way right now because we are running a bunch of inside zone.
Early in the year we ran a shitload of counter and power. Problem is that our OL weren’t very good pullers and our TEs weren’t very good at lead blocking. Both of which make it pretty hard to run gap schemes in a modern spread offense.
A dual threat QB makes the running game easier in any offense.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:14 am to lostinbr
We don't have the Elite Receiver like we used to. Anderson is clutch, Mason is good, Lacy, has had major drops on big plays that were easy catches. He's wanting to run before he's secured the ball.
Hilton is not an elite receiver. I couldn't understand why everyone was sooooo worried about Hilton returning. He Stills plays like a Track guy. Tons of speed but can't make the clutch catches that are somewhat Difficult.
Chase, Jefferson, Nabors , and Brian Thomas all make those catches .
Thats a fact.
Hilton is not an elite receiver. I couldn't understand why everyone was sooooo worried about Hilton returning. He Stills plays like a Track guy. Tons of speed but can't make the clutch catches that are somewhat Difficult.
Chase, Jefferson, Nabors , and Brian Thomas all make those catches .
Thats a fact.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:28 am to tigerbait1.6
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Nuss just is not good.
That's just false
He has his issues but he's not a bad player by any means, that's a dumb take.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:30 am to Jamey21
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Hilton is not an elite receiver. I couldn't understand why everyone was sooooo worried about Hilton returning. He Stills plays like a Track guy. Tons of speed but can't make the clutch catches that are somewhat Difficult.
This X1000!! Hes got speed and I'm not convinced that the pumping of Hilton was anything more than giving a team more to think about and practice for. He has never proven to be more than a fast guy. Doesnt seem to have the instincts or "dawg" that it would require to be elite
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:45 am to ChuckUFarley
Nussmeier won't play under center, so we play in the gun.
Running out of the gun is difficult if the QB is not a running threat. The play is slower to develop because of the shotgun snap. The defense can key on the RB if the QB is not a threat, and you lose a blocker because the QB is just handing off; he can't make a block from the gun.
The best plays out of the gun are zone read and inside zone.
The zone read works if the QB is a threat to run. The threat of the QB run occupies one of the DEs. The zone read won't work if the QB never runs. The unblocked DE can crash down on the RB because the defense outnumbers the offense.
The inside zone works if the offensive line can get to the second level and the RB can read the blocking. But it looks like our O-Line does not have the talent to get to the second level when we play against quality defensive lines.
Generally speaking, tackles are the key to pass blocking, but the guards and center are the key to run blocking. We just don't seem to have the horses on the offensive line to fun effectively from the gun against quality defensive lines.
Running out of the gun is difficult if the QB is not a running threat. The play is slower to develop because of the shotgun snap. The defense can key on the RB if the QB is not a threat, and you lose a blocker because the QB is just handing off; he can't make a block from the gun.
The best plays out of the gun are zone read and inside zone.
The zone read works if the QB is a threat to run. The threat of the QB run occupies one of the DEs. The zone read won't work if the QB never runs. The unblocked DE can crash down on the RB because the defense outnumbers the offense.
The inside zone works if the offensive line can get to the second level and the RB can read the blocking. But it looks like our O-Line does not have the talent to get to the second level when we play against quality defensive lines.
Generally speaking, tackles are the key to pass blocking, but the guards and center are the key to run blocking. We just don't seem to have the horses on the offensive line to fun effectively from the gun against quality defensive lines.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:47 am to ChuckUFarley
Is anyone opposed to slipping Ricky Collins in for a series or a few plays here and there? Good points on running QB. I’m fairly sure he’s got some speed and quickness? If not. Maybe put Z. Thomas or Anderson in the wildcat.
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