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Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted by BanTikTok9er
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:45 pm
The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off. It worked with Daniels last year but nuss does not run

They need to bring back under center i formation runs. They can run counters, dives and sweeps. It also get the lineman in a three point stance ready to maul instead of leaning back in their two point stance with a lot of space between them and the Dline man. LSU Oline is a bunch of maulers so let them do just that
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10563 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:46 pm to
Until he keeps it and wins the game one day
Posted by BanTikTok9er
Member since Oct 2024
128 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:52 pm to
Hopefully but I feel they need more running formations instead of just shotgun and handing it off

Also how many times have we seen the RBs run in to the back of our Oline? Seems like every other run that happens.

Put the oline down in a three point stance, take the snap under center and let the running back get a full head of steam running downhill.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
62035 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:56 pm to
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The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off. It worked with Daniels last year but nuss does not run


LSU barely runs any read option plays, you're seeing RPOs, not read option.
Posted by BanTikTok9er
Member since Oct 2024
128 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:01 pm to
My point is get those maulers upfront pushing forward and give the RB a full head of steam going downhill
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
62035 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:04 pm to
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My point is get those maulers upfront pushing forward and give the RB a full head of steam going downhill


The RBs have the same "head of steam" coming out of the shotgun, they also have more visibility.

LSU's current passing game won't be nearly as effective from under center so you're either putting the passing game at a disadvantage or your telegraphing to the defense what you're going to do based on alignment.

I don't understand the constant complaints about running out of the shotgun, teams do it all the time and can be very good at it. LSU is just inconsistent at it.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
6740 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:06 pm to
There was a play last night that looked like a read option

Nuss handed it off for no or a very short gain. But had he kept it, he could have run for about 40 yards before anyone would have caught him.
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
3281 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:10 pm to
If the defense reacts too much to the RB getting the ball,……he pulls and likely throws it. It is run pass option. A couple of times Nuss pulled it when he should have let the RB keep it and vice versa. He will get better at making his reads. And every team will take an adjustment because of personnel. So early in the game will be the highest likelihood for a mistake. With good reads both run and pass benefits.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
62035 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:15 pm to
Blocking in an RPO offense can be tough because you don't usually know if the the QB gave it to the back or is standing in the pocket.

You usually have to pass to set up your run game because your blockers aren't moving the defensive line around in a coordinated manner like they'd do with a 100% run call.

Your backs also have to use better vision because they may have to find the hole instead of it being in a set location. This is why Jackson hesitates so much, he can't process the reads quick enough.

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76164 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:19 pm to
go watch some Wake Forest RPOs

they call it a walk

and the QB RB mesh is like 3-4 seconds and they OL basically makes a wall

it’s crazy to watch
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
3281 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:22 pm to
Probably true about Jackson. His timing and path have just been a little out of sync so far. It doesn’t take much for the run to get stuffed. Running the ball effectively is more difficult than most would think.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
62035 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

go watch some Wake Forest RPOs

they call it a walk

and the QB RB mesh is like 3-4 seconds and they OL basically makes a wall

it’s crazy to watch


I was very intrigued by this a few years ago but I think SEC defensive linemen would destroy that shite.


Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76164 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:41 pm to
it shouldn’t work cs anyone

it’s weird seeing defenders just not react
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 3:43 pm
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38682 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off.


That's probably why LSU seldom runs any read-option plays.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76164 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:50 pm to
people have no idea what a read option is what inside zone looks like and what an RPO is
Posted by SwampdogDC
Member since Jan 2005
1768 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:51 pm to
I think the RPO out of shotgun runs and runs in general out of shotgun can be effective, the problem in my opinion is that we bring the tight-end in and sometimes a receiver that crowds the box. I think we would be way more effective in the gun but spread it out to have some room for running lanes. It feels like we run in a crowded phone booth.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59725 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:53 pm to
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They need to bring back under center i formation runs


We are a pass first team and run when we have a numbers advantage.

I wouldn’t mind an under the center package for short yardage but honestly, I’d rather try and fix our issues from the shotgun.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
29496 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off. It worked with Daniels last year but nuss does not run


3/4 of the mesh plays you are talking about are RPOs, not Zone Reads. If Nuss pulls the ball on these plays, it will be to pass it, not run.

Running under Center is not necessary. Pistol sets, which we are running more of now, are good enough to approximate the same looks and plays.

The issue is that our C and Frazier are inconsistent in run blocking and none of our TEs are great run blockers since Markway up and left during camp. Even Taylor, while better than in the past, is just adequate as a run blocker. So it’s not going to be all that different running under Center.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11961 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

Blocking in an RPO offense can be tough because you don't usually know if the the QB gave it to the back or is standing in the pocket.

I’m sure there are different ways to coach it, but I would think generally you want your OL blocking it like it’s run all the way. The one tough part is that they can’t really get to the second level too quickly on an RPO. But the play call makes a big difference. If it’s an RPO inside zone with a slant from the slot, you can basically block it exactly like a “true” inside zone because by the time you get downfield the ball should be gone anyway. If it’s more of a gap scheme with a deep post as the pass option, that’s a different story.
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Your backs also have to use better vision because they may have to find the hole instead of it being in a set location. This is why Jackson hesitates so much, he can't process the reads quick enough.

I said this in the game thread yesterday, but earlier in the season Jackson just kept running into guys. I think they’ve probably been coaching him to be more patient and let the blocks develop but yeah, there’s certainly a downside to that as well.

As for the OP.. tons of teams run successfully from shotgun nowadays. There are a lot of downsides to running under center. You have to be able to pass from under center as well, and the boost to the running game may not be worth the hit to the passing game. On top of that, putting your OL in a 3 point stance makes it harder to check at the LOS.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
29496 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:06 pm to
quote:

My point is get those maulers upfront pushing forward and give the RB a full head of steam going downhill


Who are you talking about? The only true “mauler” on this OL is Dellinger, and even he isn’t perfect in run blocking.

The Pistol gives a back the opportunity to run downhill and balance to either side.
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