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Shotgun running game
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:45 pm
The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off. It worked with Daniels last year but nuss does not run
They need to bring back under center i formation runs. They can run counters, dives and sweeps. It also get the lineman in a three point stance ready to maul instead of leaning back in their two point stance with a lot of space between them and the Dline man. LSU Oline is a bunch of maulers so let them do just that
They need to bring back under center i formation runs. They can run counters, dives and sweeps. It also get the lineman in a three point stance ready to maul instead of leaning back in their two point stance with a lot of space between them and the Dline man. LSU Oline is a bunch of maulers so let them do just that
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:46 pm to BanTikTok9er
Until he keeps it and wins the game one day
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:52 pm to Spelt it rong
Hopefully but I feel they need more running formations instead of just shotgun and handing it off
Also how many times have we seen the RBs run in to the back of our Oline? Seems like every other run that happens.
Put the oline down in a three point stance, take the snap under center and let the running back get a full head of steam running downhill.
Also how many times have we seen the RBs run in to the back of our Oline? Seems like every other run that happens.
Put the oline down in a three point stance, take the snap under center and let the running back get a full head of steam running downhill.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:56 pm to BanTikTok9er
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The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off. It worked with Daniels last year but nuss does not run
LSU barely runs any read option plays, you're seeing RPOs, not read option.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
My point is get those maulers upfront pushing forward and give the RB a full head of steam going downhill
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:04 pm to BanTikTok9er
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My point is get those maulers upfront pushing forward and give the RB a full head of steam going downhill
The RBs have the same "head of steam" coming out of the shotgun, they also have more visibility.
LSU's current passing game won't be nearly as effective from under center so you're either putting the passing game at a disadvantage or your telegraphing to the defense what you're going to do based on alignment.
I don't understand the constant complaints about running out of the shotgun, teams do it all the time and can be very good at it. LSU is just inconsistent at it.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:06 pm to BanTikTok9er
There was a play last night that looked like a read option
Nuss handed it off for no or a very short gain. But had he kept it, he could have run for about 40 yards before anyone would have caught him.
Nuss handed it off for no or a very short gain. But had he kept it, he could have run for about 40 yards before anyone would have caught him.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:10 pm to BanTikTok9er
If the defense reacts too much to the RB getting the ball,……he pulls and likely throws it. It is run pass option. A couple of times Nuss pulled it when he should have let the RB keep it and vice versa. He will get better at making his reads. And every team will take an adjustment because of personnel. So early in the game will be the highest likelihood for a mistake. With good reads both run and pass benefits.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:15 pm to Mobiletiggah
Blocking in an RPO offense can be tough because you don't usually know if the the QB gave it to the back or is standing in the pocket.
You usually have to pass to set up your run game because your blockers aren't moving the defensive line around in a coordinated manner like they'd do with a 100% run call.
Your backs also have to use better vision because they may have to find the hole instead of it being in a set location. This is why Jackson hesitates so much, he can't process the reads quick enough.
You usually have to pass to set up your run game because your blockers aren't moving the defensive line around in a coordinated manner like they'd do with a 100% run call.
Your backs also have to use better vision because they may have to find the hole instead of it being in a set location. This is why Jackson hesitates so much, he can't process the reads quick enough.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:19 pm to SidewalkTiger
go watch some Wake Forest RPOs
they call it a walk
and the QB RB mesh is like 3-4 seconds and they OL basically makes a wall
it’s crazy to watch
they call it a walk
and the QB RB mesh is like 3-4 seconds and they OL basically makes a wall
it’s crazy to watch
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:22 pm to SidewalkTiger
Probably true about Jackson. His timing and path have just been a little out of sync so far. It doesn’t take much for the run to get stuffed. Running the ball effectively is more difficult than most would think.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:36 pm to SammyTiger
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go watch some Wake Forest RPOs
they call it a walk
and the QB RB mesh is like 3-4 seconds and they OL basically makes a wall
it’s crazy to watch
I was very intrigued by this a few years ago but I think SEC defensive linemen would destroy that shite.

Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:41 pm to SidewalkTiger
it shouldn’t work cs anyone
it’s weird seeing defenders just not react
it’s weird seeing defenders just not react
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:49 pm to BanTikTok9er
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The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off.
That's probably why LSU seldom runs any read-option plays.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:50 pm to mdomingue
people have no idea what a read option is what inside zone looks like and what an RPO is
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:51 pm to BanTikTok9er
I think the RPO out of shotgun runs and runs in general out of shotgun can be effective, the problem in my opinion is that we bring the tight-end in and sometimes a receiver that crowds the box. I think we would be way more effective in the gun but spread it out to have some room for running lanes. It feels like we run in a crowded phone booth.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:53 pm to BanTikTok9er
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They need to bring back under center i formation runs
We are a pass first team and run when we have a numbers advantage.
I wouldn’t mind an under the center package for short yardage but honestly, I’d rather try and fix our issues from the shotgun.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:03 pm to BanTikTok9er
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The zone read option doesn’t work because the defense knows Nuss doesn’t fake it and take off. It worked with Daniels last year but nuss does not run
3/4 of the mesh plays you are talking about are RPOs, not Zone Reads. If Nuss pulls the ball on these plays, it will be to pass it, not run.
Running under Center is not necessary. Pistol sets, which we are running more of now, are good enough to approximate the same looks and plays.
The issue is that our C and Frazier are inconsistent in run blocking and none of our TEs are great run blockers since Markway up and left during camp. Even Taylor, while better than in the past, is just adequate as a run blocker. So it’s not going to be all that different running under Center.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:03 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Blocking in an RPO offense can be tough because you don't usually know if the the QB gave it to the back or is standing in the pocket.
I’m sure there are different ways to coach it, but I would think generally you want your OL blocking it like it’s run all the way. The one tough part is that they can’t really get to the second level too quickly on an RPO. But the play call makes a big difference. If it’s an RPO inside zone with a slant from the slot, you can basically block it exactly like a “true” inside zone because by the time you get downfield the ball should be gone anyway. If it’s more of a gap scheme with a deep post as the pass option, that’s a different story.
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Your backs also have to use better vision because they may have to find the hole instead of it being in a set location. This is why Jackson hesitates so much, he can't process the reads quick enough.
I said this in the game thread yesterday, but earlier in the season Jackson just kept running into guys. I think they’ve probably been coaching him to be more patient and let the blocks develop but yeah, there’s certainly a downside to that as well.
As for the OP.. tons of teams run successfully from shotgun nowadays. There are a lot of downsides to running under center. You have to be able to pass from under center as well, and the boost to the running game may not be worth the hit to the passing game. On top of that, putting your OL in a 3 point stance makes it harder to check at the LOS.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:06 pm to BanTikTok9er
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My point is get those maulers upfront pushing forward and give the RB a full head of steam going downhill
Who are you talking about? The only true “mauler” on this OL is Dellinger, and even he isn’t perfect in run blocking.
The Pistol gives a back the opportunity to run downhill and balance to either side.
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