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Powerball Jackpot....

Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:05 pm
Posted by bvmagic33
Member since Nov 2008
346 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:05 pm
the powerball jackpot is at 90 million dollars (annuity) or 56 million (cash).

If i won the jackpot, would it be smarter to take the 56 million cash or the 90 million over 30 years?
Posted by Mastermind
ASOM
Member since Jul 2008
1710 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:06 pm to
56 mill cash,the color green is my favorite lol.
Posted by bvmagic33
Member since Nov 2008
346 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:07 pm to
all that cash at once would be worth the ~34 million i would lose?
Posted by Mastermind
ASOM
Member since Jul 2008
1710 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:09 pm to
Well take the 90 mill,its never going to get spent anyways because to spend 90 mill takes longer then 30 years.
Posted by bvmagic33
Member since Nov 2008
346 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:11 pm to
haha well thanks for the advice.... ill throw u a lil cash if i when tonight
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179356 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:13 pm to
I don't think you really need to worry about it.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29856 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 10:49 pm to
quote:

If i won the jackpot, would it be smarter to take the 56 million cash or the 90 million over 30 years?


I would only need a few million initially to roll around naked in.
Posted by TIGER2
Mandeville.La
Member since Jan 2006
10508 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:04 am to
quote:

I would only need a few million initially to roll around naked in.



Posted by desitiger
Monroe, LA
Member since Mar 2004
1264 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:51 am to
I was one number away from the Jackpot in 2006. I had 4 numbers and the powerball number and the multiplier was 3. I ended up winning 30,000 and got back 21,000 after taxes. The jackpot was at 195 million at that point.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20424 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 7:49 am to
quote:

I was one number away from the Jackpot in 2006.


man i bet that was an emotional roller coaster
Posted by desitiger
Monroe, LA
Member since Mar 2004
1264 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 8:26 am to
Ya it was crazy cause I had 34 and the number that came up was 43. I picked the powerball number but I let the computer pick the other 5 numbers. I usually play 10 numbers like all the 20s, 30s, etc. It worked that day but never since.
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 10:53 am
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 8:28 am to
quote:

If i won the jackpot, would it be smarter to take the 56 million cash or the 90 million over 30 years?


Absolutely. Taking it spread out over 30 years is basically the same thing as taking the lump sum and investing it in a muni bond guaranteed by the issuing authority. And this muni probably isn't tax-free, either.

Better to take the lump sum and invest it in a more diversified portfolio. The worst thing you could do then is invest in that muni again, except this time you get the tax break.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
20650 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 8:39 am to
Looking at the numbers, I agree with foshizzle. However, most lottery winners are white trash and end up broke and/or in jail within five years, so maybe the annuity is the better option. If you win and plan on changing your name and leaving the country, take the lump sum. If you're going to stick around and be inundated by all your "friends" and long lost relatives for money, take the annuity.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15343 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Looking at the numbers, I agree with foshizzle. However, most lottery winners are white trash and end up broke and/or in jail within five years, so maybe the annuity is the better option.

Tru dat. I read a story today about a man who bought a winning lotto ticket, then died a couple hours later of a heart attack. His widow checked the #'s and discovered she had won $6 million. When asked what she would do, she said "I guess I'll go to the Mohegan Sun [casino]."

I guess she figured that she was on a roll. Put it all on black and end up with $12 million.
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 2:20 pm
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:12 pm to
I thought you could elect to take the full jackpot over 30 years or a 50% cash payment immediately. Whatever, the analysis you need to perform is on an after tax basis what is the discount rate that makes the present value of the annuity stream equal to the lump sum payment, and can you resonably get a better rate of return from investing than that discount rate.

Assuming no change in tax rates over the life of the annuity, you'd get $3,000,000 annually on which you would pay 35% federal income tax, or $1,050,000 of tax, leaving you $1,950,000 of after tax cash. The lump sum payment would give you $36,400,000 of after tax cash (65% X $56,000,000). According to my calculation using the Rate function from Excel, you would need to earn an after tax 3.67% rate of return for the lump sum payment to equal the annuity stream.

The problem with the above analysis is that it assumes you invest 100% of you prize winnings which is unlikely. The analysis also does not take into account how much money you want to have accumulated/remaining at the end of the 30 year period or the amount of money you would like to have to live off of during the period. Each of those makes the computations a little more complicated. You will have to do your own calculations to account for the additional variables.
Posted by busbeepbeep
When will then be now?
Member since Jan 2004
19473 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:27 pm to
Also, I would have to know all the terms and conditions of the annuity setup, so that they can't find a way not to pay you; if like the winner dies, does the annuity transfer to a beneficiary, etc.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/6/09 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

most lottery winners are white trash and end up broke and/or in jail within five years


There was some documentary following the lives of lottery winners several years later, and that generally turned out to be the case. I personally knew someone who got about a $10MM insurance settlement (car crash, and it made her paraplegic for life, the payment was legit). Within five years she had donated most of it to her church and various family members who spent a lot more time visiting than they ever had before. Sad.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13868 posts
Posted on 1/6/09 at 3:40 pm to
That's assuming the tax rate doesn't go up over the next 30 years. I'd rather take the lump sum at 35% tax rate now.

Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 1/6/09 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

That's assuming the tax rate doesn't go up over the next 30 years. I'd rather take the lump sum at 35% tax rate now.

I fully expect the tax rates to go up. However, I don't know how large or how frequent those changes mught be. My point was to demonstrate how small a rate of return you would need to earn to make the lump sum worth more than the annuity. And any changes in tax laws that reduce the cash flow payments during the annuity period only make the lumps sum payment more attractive.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 1/6/09 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

if like the winner dies, does the annuity transfer to a beneficiary, etc.


I do not think so. I think you are SOL ..

And I would take the 30 year deal over the one time cash payment. My wife can spend crazy amounts of money. I would think that if we had the lump sum - it may be gone within a few years
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