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Physicality and player evaluations

Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Kicks30
Lake Charles, La
Member since Sep 2019
146 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:13 pm
This is NOT a bash Kelly post. When you hire a coach you hire a mixed bag of pros and cons. There is far more to like about the trajectory of the program than dislike (See : recruiting and coaching staff).

However, I do think the lack of physicality and early season player evaluations (game 1 losses) are likely due to Kelly prioritizing team health. I don’t think it’s that controversial… minimal full contact practices. (I think it was 5) prevent true evals and obviously this isn’t les miles type team. It obviously affects the running game as well.

That doesn’t make Miles or O better coaches it just makes their priorities different.

It will be interesting if there is a slight adjustment with the new staff moving forward.

1) physicality
2) player evals (seem to drag on)
3) running game learning curve

Can all be a result of single variable,
Weighing team health and the aforementioned.

Thoughts? How much? Possible tweaks?





Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
15700 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:15 pm to
Need to bring back big cat drill
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69420 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

early season player evaluations (game 1 losses) are likely due to Kelly prioritizing team health.


Examples?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
11741 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:20 pm to
I think that has a decent amount to do with it. If you don't hit, its hard to turn it on in the game.

Kelly also mentioned in fall camp that they were "ramping up" the outdoor time slowly. Meaning week 1 they went outside for 30 minutes a day. Week 2 it was 45 minutes, etc. I think that caused us to not be in the shape that we are accustomed to LSU teams being in. One of our main advantages is that camp is in 105 degree weather with 85% humidity. Practicing in that used to make the games look easy for our guys. I think our team looked tired in the 4th quarter vs USCw. They seem to have gotten their legs under them a bit better going into week 3 though.
Posted by BEATIGER
35 Thousand Feet
Member since Jul 2009
698 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:22 pm to
Not having much live-play contact may reduce practice-related injuries, but there is a tradeoff. Tackling a live RB is much more difficult than a tackling dummy. The result is that limiting live scrimmages and drills leads to a team that many times tackles poorly.

The tradeoff is in missed tackles. So. . . you may have saved some of your players from live practice-related injuries, but you have poor tackling and the opposing team can take advantage with long runs, breakaways for first downs when they should have been tackled behind the line, etc. no matter who is available to play for the defense.

I would rather see a team of players who can tackle very well. It's a team sport, and you need great jimmies and joes, but those cats need to be able to function on the defense by tackling soundly. In the end, I'd risk the injuries that may come from live practices to enable that.
Posted by Kicks30
Lake Charles, La
Member since Sep 2019
146 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:26 pm to
Year 1 : it took Perkins 4 or 5 weeks to see the field.

Year 2: the corners weren’t on the roster (except zy) Ovi Ohgofu over Swinson… speights all season. (I could probably say the entire defensive front although they didn’t improve even after reps).

This year : safety are turning over, partially due to corner backs but maybe the most glaring is the Jackson, Durham playing time. Poor vision could be identified earlier. Durhams YAC as well.
Posted by tgdk11
Member since Nov 2017
1891 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:29 pm to
We lose every first game. Starters who can't handle their assignments and replaced quickly for better looking players. We look unprepared every first game. We start almost every game slow, and always feels like we're coming back, or the offense can't not score each drive, otherwise feels like an L is coming.

Results definitely haven't been bad overall, and trend is definitely up regarding roster, etc. OP makes good points, valid callouts.

This year alone some specific examples :

3 sr safeties have been horrible, sage at cb, Perkins at mlb when told staff first time asked more comfortable at star, defense as whole looked better in 3 lb set, Durham doesn't get meaningful carry until game 3 and looks to clearly have best vision, burst, ability to break tackles.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5332 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Perkins at mlb


Can this die already. He's not playing MLB.
Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
4404 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Need to bring back big cat drill


Call it the BK drill if you have to just bring it back.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
61942 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

In the end, I'd risk the injuries that may come from live practices to enable that.


I hear y’all, but it’s a long season and there’s a cumulative effect over the course of that season. You can go hard in camp like Miles and maybe be more ready to play by Game 1, but by game 12, 13 weeks later, you’re gassed. Former Miles players talk about that all the time—they were tough and physical out of the gate, but oftentimes wore down by the end of the season.

Kelly has proven that his teams get better over the course of the season. He wants them playing their best football later in the season in the heart of coherence play and hopefully into the postseason. It’s more of an NFL approach. Unfortunately, in college, Game 1 matters as much as Game 12, and losing Game 1 has really put us behind the 8-ball the last 3 years.

So there’s a balance he’s trying to find. Want to be ready enough to win a tough Game 1, but not be so physical in camp that it wears on you down the stretch. I’d imagine he really doesn’t like these big Week 1 matchups and would prefer to have an Ole Miss like start. Or at least save a big OOC game for Week 2 or 3 like Bama did this year going to Wisconsin after playing a couple of cupcakes.

But he didn’t have that luxury. And won’t for a couple more years as we open up with Clemson in ‘25 and ‘26. With the expanded playoff, I’m sure we regret having scheduled those now. But, it is what it is, so I’m sure Kelly will adjust how they handle next season’s fall camp. But he’s not gonna do a compete 180 and be ready to dominate Clemson, but be so tired we’re limping to the finish line. He’ll tinker to continue to find that right balance.

I will say that we’ve had very little depth at certain positions all 3 years and really couldn’t afford risking getting a bunch of guys hurt. But we should have a lot more depth next year as the big recruiting class comes in after the big one from this year. Especially with the scholarship limit going up to 105 next year. I think most top teams will be able to go a little harder in fall moving forward.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:55 pm to
I think coaches shying away from contact is hurting the players, repetition is one of the ultimate learning tools.
Posted by Horizon Imperial
Member since Sep 2019
426 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:36 pm to
Here’s an opinion that has been frequently put out there to partly address the situation of game one: schedule a cupcake. That way you can get some live tackling in, but the game is never in doubt despite any rust that needs to be knocked off.

I know we can’t control the schedule for the next couple years—the die has already been cast. But it’s something to keep in mind for the future
Posted by MikeTheTiger11
Sip
Member since Sep 2023
757 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

defense as whole looked better in 3 lb set


All good points but this one ^ I think won't be sustainable for teams that want to spread us out with 4-5 receiver sets on early downs. They'll force us into 2 LB sets and run out of those 4 receiver sets or continue to throw to slot receivers/athletic TEs covered by LBs
Posted by charminultra
Member since Jan 2020
2779 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:01 pm to
hopefully next offseason, we won't have too many new faces and the coaches will know their players better.

adding new transfers every year makes it tough to eval in just a few weeks of practice. having our guys from this season carry over to next should help with the eval portion. now as far as physicality goes, that's up to each player
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:14 pm to
Losing the opener has become tiresome.
Posted by Kicks30
Lake Charles, La
Member since Sep 2019
146 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 5:32 pm to
Obviously, the old school hard nose, 3 yards and a cloud of dust, two-a-days is not possible given the length of the season and the speed and size of the athletes these days; however I do think whatever we are doing step it up a notch.
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