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There should be little sympathy for college graduates struggling to earn a livable wage

Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:56 am
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20322 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:56 am
Consider the following:

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According to the study’s findings, 60% of students acknowledged cheating most of the time, while 30% admitted to cheating at least once during an online exam. According to a prior survey, 80% of students participate in academic cheating.


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A lot of the faculty members I’ve talked to frequently say, I don’t know what’s going to happen to these students once they enter the working world. We’re not talking about, wow, they didn’t read Moby Dick. We’re talking about these fundamental critical reading and writing skills that students are really struggling to master, and maybe even don’t necessarily see the point of mastering


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Something’s happening with college students in reading. Or maybe it’s better to say something’s not happening. College professors are used to assigning work that doesn’t get done that comes with the territory. But many now say that their students are coming to campus woefully unprepared. The class of Gen Z, born in the iPhone age is struggling to read and comprehend long passages. They may be distracted by a barrage of social media. Some of them, professors will tell you, don’t see the point of learning at all. Why is this happening? What does it say about what college is for? And is there anything we can do about it?


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Yeah, I think there are a lot of things going on here. I think the rise of social media has really changed the way we think about text and about reading. I think about this particular professor I spoke to who is an English professor, and he said, you know, he always would ask his students to tell a narrative about their own interaction with reading, their own reading history. And not that long ago they would talk about, you know, reading for pleasure or having their parents read to them at bedtime, you know, Harry Potter books and things like that. And in the last few years, they talk about things like reading on TikTok, reading on Instagram, texts, you know, so the way in which we’ve read has sort of shrunk and fundamentally changed.


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Galli Robertson is not alone in clocking a change. Much has been made of students’ spotty classroom attendance and disengagement from their work. But a less-discussed dilemma may end up mattering even more: Students are struggling to complete significant work on their own. Some professors — who see a big paper or project as integral to assessing what students know and can do — have cut down on other parts of their courses so that students can pull it off.


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There's growing discontent with our national economy because inflation and housing prices make it difficult for young people to feel like they can invest in their futures. They supposedly "can't" buy a house, build savings, or enact their standard of living because their employment status and potential wages do not match the cost of living where the jobs are for college graduates. Gen Z in particular have even eschewed traditional forms of work, joining millennials who see "work from home" as a right to life" along with the prospect of earning a high income through social media content and online shops.

Now, I'm not saying there aren't problems in the world. However, there's a lot of shite thrown at universities for their inability to prepare kids these days for the workforce. There's growing sentiment that vocational schools and the trades are a better avenue. I completely agree but not so much to avoid the indoctrination of progressive idealism but more so because most college graduates aren't actually college material.

If you can't read, comprehend, decipher, and apply long passages in order to generate unique personal insights on complex problems/prompts because you'd rather doom scroll Tik Tok, you shouldn't be in college. If you can't be bothered to attend class or make an effort to complete assignments that the professor has deemed essential to proving you've engaged in higher learning of a subject, you shouldn't be in college. If you're cheating on exams and failing to see the value of assessments in determining your learned knowledge because college is supposed to be a simple transaction between a consumer and their "deserved/entitled" wealth, then you shouldn't be in college.

And you damn well shouldn't be a college graduate and you certainly don't deserve a "livable wage" in metro areas with professional jobs.

I know we've beaten this topic to death, but often we criticize the colleges, deservedly so, but the coddling of these iPad kids has led to a horde of spoiled brats who think the world should be a playpen instead of a place that requires hard work, sincerity, and integrity in all things they decide to do. Life isn't content consumption.
Posted by JasonDBlaha
Woodlands, Texas
Member since Apr 2023
3340 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:59 am to
With the availability of the Internet and ChatGPT, cheating has never been easier.

Professors don’t take the time to make their own exams and borrow questions from test banks. Students take these questions and post them on Quizlet. All you have to do for an online assignment or quiz is copy and paste a question onto the Google Search bar. Quizlet results will pop up with the answers. Students have been doing this since the pandemic

Students also pay for ChatGPT software to write their own papers and give them answers on assignments.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 9:01 am
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12283 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:00 am to
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coddling of these iPad kids has led to a horde of spoiled brats who think the world should be a playpen instead of a place that requires hard work, sincerity, and integrity in all things they decide to do.


I view this as job security.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
21403 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:00 am to
If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54835 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:01 am to
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struggling to read and comprehend long passages.
Guilty. No way I’m reading everything in the OP
Posted by swamptiger99
Member since Aug 2024
373 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:01 am to
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They supposedly "can't" buy a house, build savings, or enact their standard of living because their employment status and potential wages do not match the cost of living where the jobs are for college graduates


I mean, what is the price of a starter home today? 400k?

So I would need a salary of about $110k to afford it. That is just one income. How much is a new vehicle today?

What is a starting salary today? Asking $20/hr for a degree holder is nuts. And you are just as delusional if you agree with this starting wage. White collar jobs have declined and we are competing against billions in India and green card holders. Our generation is screwed!
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
5165 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:02 am to
My biggest laugh is young people say, "Unless we want to live in ghettos or rural, we can't afford a house." When 30 years ago, after HS, all of the people I knew and myself lived in the ghettos or out in the country to afford a house. Wife and I were damn near 30 before we moved to a "decent" area.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58316 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:03 am to
To be fair, you boomers voted for this. Why should a millenial work hard when he’s gonna have to give up half his check to Israel and food stamps? Why should he save for a house when the government gives them to illegals for free?


Millenials supported trump because he’s basically a millenial himself and yall voted him out
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39756 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:04 am to
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According to the study’s findings, 60% of students acknowledged cheating most of the time, while 30% admitted to cheating at least once during an online exam. According to a prior survey, 80% of students participate in academic cheating.



at least gen z is honest
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20322 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:06 am to
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I mean, what is the price of a starter home today? 400k?

So I would need a salary of about $110k to afford it. That is just one income. How much is a new vehicle today?

What is a starting salary today? Asking $20/hr for a degree holder is nuts. And you are just as delusional if you agree with this starting wage. White collar jobs have declined and we are competing against billions in India and green card holders. Our generation is screwed!


You're missing the point. You're advocating for Gen Z and younger millennials because they should deserve a higher starting wage because they have a college degree.

Would you do the same for someone flipping burgers at a McDonald's?

I would say that the burger flipper might have better work ethic and deserve a higher wage than the college grad who cheated their way through school while avoiding any bit of work ethic in the educational venture they paid for.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31372 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:08 am to
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My biggest laugh is young people say, "Unless we want to live in ghettos or rural, we can't afford a house." When 30 years ago, after HS, all of the people I knew and myself lived in the ghettos or out in the country to afford a house. Wife and I were damn near 30 before we moved to a "decent" area.

The primary difference is that in most metro areas “rural” used to be far, far closer to the nearest metro center than it is now. Buying a house five miles from a metro center is a lot different than buying a house 25 miles from a metro center, considering both immediate livability as well as long term appreciation.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
24641 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:09 am to
Who didn’t receive a copy of an old test in college?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
59984 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:09 am to
I do feel for kids coming of age right now

They have democrats trying to diddle them left and right, spineless generations ahead of them not taking a stand for a proper direction of this county, selfish older folks who won’t “let go” and continue to vote in policies that benefit the last few years of their lives over the first 50 years of the next generation, and Taylor Swift is their best icon.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17371 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:09 am to
Sounds to me like students and younger people have evolved and have adapted to the modern world. Professors and education still have not.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29847 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:15 am to
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I know we've beaten this topic to death, but often we criticize the colleges, deservedly so, but the coddling of these iPad kids has led to a horde of spoiled brats who think the world should be a playpen instead of a place that requires hard work, sincerity, and integrity in all things they decide to do. Life isn't content consumption.


Your average 25 year old and under can't even talk on the phone. You ask them to call someone and the typical response "what do I say?".


Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10156 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:16 am to
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Why should a millenial work hard when he’s gonna have to give up half his check to Israel


Well, first of all a Millenial can learn to read a pie chart and realize that he's giving less than 1% of his check to Israel.

And if he doesn't work hard, he's going to be the recipient of the food stamps, so there's that advantage.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10156 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:17 am to
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Guilty. No way I’m reading everything in the OP


You beat me to it. I didn't need an article or study to tell me those things. Half of this board can't focus long enough to read two paragraphs.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10156 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:18 am to
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at least gen z is honest


Well, no. They are cheating. Which is, by definition, dishonest.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20322 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:18 am to
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Sounds to me like students and younger people have evolved and have adapted to the modern world.


So the modern world, and let's focus on the West here, no longer has a need or value for those who can engage in sustained higher levels of thinking?

We can laugh about borrowing old tests, but that doesn't make it right. There's a clear linear progression for society to improve or at least maintain its high standard of living, and having a huge portion of people who refuse to engage in learning means that a huge portion of people deserve to struggle financially.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20322 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:19 am to
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Your average 25 year old and under can't even talk on the phone. You ask them to call someone and the typical response "what do I say?".



They deserve to live in a shoddy apartment with roommates until the end of time.
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