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Was the kick at the end of the half on 4th down?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:05 pm
If not, why didn't we clock it and then kick the field goal? 3 seconds is enough time to clock it I would think.
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:08 pm to Cap
There is a million page thread about this. 3 seconds is the minimum clock run. Could have hit 0 seconds.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:16 pm to Cap
Still have to kick it.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:32 pm to Cap
If the officials had not called it out of bounds then there wouldn’t have been a mandatory count down and LSU would have had plenty of time to get to the LOS and clock it before time expired. Then kicked it, but that didn’t decide the game anyway.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:34 pm to Cap
No. It was not 4th down.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 6:29 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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There is a million page thread about this. 3 seconds is the minimum clock run. Could have hit 0 seconds.
You need 3 seconds to legally clock, which they had. It would not have run to zero. Not spiking made no sense.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:11 pm to bbap
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You need 3 seconds to legally clock, which they had. It would not have run to zero. Not spiking made no sense.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:50 am to Cap
Can’t spike with three seconds in college; a three second runoff is made. Time expires. Why can’t people understand this? It’s not the NFL. Know the rules.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:59 am to paulb52
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Can’t spike with three seconds in college; a three second runoff is made. Time expires. Why can’t people understand this? It’s not the NFL. Know the rules
Yes you can. Three seconds is the minimum.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:02 am to bbap
And the clock was going to start on the ready for play not the snap. So there absolutely would have been less than 3 seconds before the ball was snapped and the spike was attempted.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:17 am to MOT
That's irrelevant, if the clock was starting on the snap there would be no need for a spike to begin with. As long as there was 3 seconds on the clock before the referee signaled to start the clock on ready to play it would have been a legal spike with no run off. Considering they were coming back from video review Collins would have already been under center and waiting for the ready for play signal. The mechanics of the spike wouldn't even take 1 second.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:51 am to Cap
Go watch Notre Dame's final drive last weekend, they got a first down, then clocked the ball.
Clock went from :12 to :09.
Imagine the meltdown here if the clock would have expired on a spike.
Clock went from :12 to :09.
Imagine the meltdown here if the clock would have expired on a spike.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:08 am to SidewalkTiger
The situations are not similar since Notre Dame was scrambling to get set after their first down. LSU was coming out of a video review.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:14 am to bbap
The snap is not going to be synced exactly with the start of the clock, it will be after, and the clock isn’t going to stop when the ball hits the ground, it will be after.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:34 am to MOT
It wouldn't take 3 seconds or really even close to it, teams do this all the time. It's pretty straightforward.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:22 pm to bbap
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You need 3 seconds to legally clock, which they had. It would not have run to zero. Not spiking made no sense.
3 seconds is the absolute minimum allowed to legally attempt a spike. You are not guaranteed to get the spike off in 3 seconds though. There’s a reference case in the NCAA football rule book for this exact scenario (attempting a spike with 3 seconds on the clock) to illustrate the point that it is not guaranteed - the reference details a case where the clock stops at 0:00 and the half is over.
Your options in that scenario are:
A) Line your offense up before the ref winds the clock, snap the ball immediately, execute the spike immediately, and hope the official stops the clock before it hits 0:00. If he doesn’t, you’re SOL.
B) Line your kicking team up before the ref winds the clock. Snap the ball within the 3 seconds, and execute the kick.
B is much less risky. You had a free timeout to get lined up and ready to go before the clock started. Sending the kicking team out is 100% the right move in that scenario.
Ramos should have been set before the clock started. He fricked up. He’ll learn from it and move on.
ETA: If it weren’t for the official review stopping the clock, the correct move would have been to line up and spike. But there’s no reason to do that when they give you time to line up the kicking team.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:30 pm to bbap
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The situations are not similar since Notre Dame was scrambling to get set after their first down. LSU was coming out of a video review.
Notre Dame was set before the clock started.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:08 pm to lostinbr
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A) Line your offense up before the ref winds the clock, snap the ball immediately, execute the spike immediately, and hope the official stops the clock before it hits 0:00. If he doesn’t, you’re SOL.
B) Line your kicking team up before the ref winds the clock. Snap the ball within the 3 seconds, and execute the kick.
B is much less risky. You had a free timeout to get lined up and ready to go before the clock started. Sending the kicking team out is 100% the right move in that scenario.
Couldn't disagree more. B is way more risky. A allows your kicker to go through his normal cadence and not be rushed. There was zero risk of the clock going to 0 after a spike coming out of a video review. That's just creating a what if scenario that simply isn't there.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:14 pm to bbap
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A allows your kicker to go through his normal cadence and not be rushed.
The kicker has plenty of time to go through his normal cadence. He did his setup routine more than once. The only reason he was rushed was that he was starting his routine over again when the official wound the clock. All he had to do was go through his setup and then stop while the official wound the clock. Everyone else except for Ramos was set and ready to run the play.
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There was zero risk of the clock going to 0 after a spike coming out of a video review. That's just creating a what if scenario that simply isn't there.
The “approved ruling” in the NCAA rule book specifically references a situation where the official is starting the game clock at 0:03 on his whistle.
Granted, it’s talking about a first down scenario rather than a video review but it’s the same concept. If the situation were a complete non-issue it wouldn’t be in the rule book.
Is it likely that the clock would run down to 0:00 during a spike? No. But it is not “zero risk” either. Particularly since the clock can be at 2.1 seconds and show 0:03 (although I’m not certain whether they manually reset it in a 10-second runoff scenario).
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:08 pm to bbap
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There was zero risk of the clock going to 0 after a spike coming out of a video review.
This is why you aren't a football coach.
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