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I am changing my opinion on Trumps tariffs

Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
3873 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:57 pm
I used to think these would be a bad idea economically, but I am changing my mind based off new evidence

quote:

CNBC’s Jim Cramer rips Trump’s tariff proposal: ‘I’m kind of against it’


LINK


If Cramer thinks it’s a bad idea, it’s probably gonna work out great
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:59 pm to
Wall Street hates tariffs because Wall Street is full of multi national companies that want to take advantage of Chinese cheap labor and then sell back into the U.S.

There is a role for tariffs. They just have to be applied just right.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53512 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:04 pm to
Trump's use of tariffs was to get the attention of US foreign trade partners for better trade deals, sometimes tariffs work pretty good at getting favorable trade negotiations other times each nation digs in their heels and the tariffs are ineffective and of little benefit for the people.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24831 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:04 pm to
I once thought tariffs were bad, but after really thinking about it and realizing who I was listening to about it I came to this realization. Tariffs only hurt Americans when the only product they can consume is from outside the country. Any other time, it hurts the globalists becuase they are unable to transfer jobs and money from outside the US to their pockets. So, I say put a tariff on anything produced outside the US and imported in so that we can promote having factories and jobs in the continental united states.
Posted by boomtown143
Member since May 2019
9407 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:05 pm to
He's usig them as a starting point.

Leverage to get other countries to stop Fing us.




This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 1:07 pm
Posted by GrizzlyAlloy
Member since Aug 2020
2581 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:06 pm to
I like the 15% corporate tax only for companies who employ Americans and build American.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292723 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

Wall Street hates tariffs


So do consumers, because ... inflation.

Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
6310 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:08 pm to
As a purveyor of imported goods
You raise my tariff I raise my prices

Its a tax on the consumers...period

Countries don't pay them not a dime (yuan)

But Trump knows business.....
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
15140 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:10 pm to
You a purveyor lol
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292723 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

who employ Americans and build American.


Americans are refusing to work manual labor jobs and its creating service shortages across the board.

Y'alls lust for "blue collar jobs" is doing nothing but increasing immigration
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51485 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

Tariffs only hurt Americans when the only product they can consume is from outside the country. Any other time, it hurts the globalists becuase they are unable to transfer jobs and money from outside the US to their pockets. So, I say put a tariff on anything produced outside the US and imported in so that we can promote having factories and jobs in the continental united states.

That’s autarky, and it has been thoroughly discredited for over 200 years.

Tariffs should only be used if the products in question represent a national security risk, would subject us to economic blackmail, or to punish a cheating nation. There is a lot of that that needs doing. China needs punishing to level that playing field, and Taiwan’s near monopoly on semiconductors is a problem. Other than cases like these, tariffs are moronic.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10138 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:20 pm to
quote:


As a purveyor of imported goods
You raise my tariff I raise my prices

Its a tax on the consumers...period

Countries don't pay them not a dime (yuan)

But Trump knows business.....


This is the correct answer.

Those tariffs have done nothing so far except cost the consumer more money. There's hard evidence of this.

Manufacturing jobs have been a net negative, for those of you who claim this is a 4-D plot to return manufacturing jobs to America.

Trump is simply wrong on the tariffs. He's part of the reason a loaf of bread costs what it does at the grocery store. He's not the only reason, but he's part of the reason.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3514 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

As a purveyor of imported goods
so you import your stupidity?
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24831 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

That’s autarky, and it has been thoroughly discredited for over 200 years.


Only if your definition is 100% from some idealistic perspective. The US has plenty of natural resources to be much more self sufficent. As a matter of fact, the more globalize we have become, the more we have hurt the average American starting with GHWB and Clinton and their free trade BS; globalist puppets.

quote:

China needs punishing to level that playing field, and Taiwan’s near monopoly on semiconductors is a problem.


Short-term problems which could be easily addressed and actually was starting to be addressed under Trump's first term.

The US does not need the rest of the world economically, they need us. We should put America and Americans first, period.

Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
99494 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:26 pm to
Selfishly it won't be good for the company I work for (at least not in the short term), but we could theoretically work around that by having our European parent company allow us the recipe to make our chemicals here and just pay them a licensing fee.
Posted by Notrub14
New York City
Member since Dec 2018
960 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:28 pm to
Let's call them what they are: taxes. Trump is in favor of raising taxes and the burden will be borne by American consumers.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116588 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:29 pm to
My favorite story of protectionist policies was the 1699 Wool Act placed against the American colonies by the Brits. We couldn't export to other countries and they placed a big tariff on wool sold to England.
It gave the British sheep herders an advantage but we became a cow country with lots of beef and leather and we crushed them with cotton exports because they couldn't grow it in their climate.
Over 300 years later we still don't eat mutton. I have no idea what it tastes like.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Those tariffs have done nothing so far except cost the consumer more money. There's hard evidence of this.


quote:

It was the Fourth Quarter of 2019…..

Right before the pandemic would hit a few months later, despite two years of doomsayer predictions from Wall Street’s professional punditry, all of them said Trump’s 2017 steel and aluminum tariffs on China, Canada and the EU would create massive inflation – it just wasn’t happening!


quote:

Despite the efforts to remove and impeach President Trump, it did not look like middle class America was overly concerned about the noise coming from the pundits. Likely that’s because blue collar wages were higher, Main Street inflation was lower, and overall consumer confidence was strong. Yes, MAGAnomics was working.

Additionally, remember all those MSM hours and newspaper column inches where the professional financial pundits were claiming Trump’s tariffs were going to cause massive increases in prices of consumer goods?

Well, exactly the opposite happened [BLS report] Import prices were continuing to drop:




Import prices dropped in 2019 because the People's Bank of China responded to Trump's tariffs with printing the Chinese Yuan which strengthened the U.S. dollar.


Now post your hard evidence that consumer prices increased due to Chinese tariffs of steel and aluminum.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292723 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

The US does not need the rest of the world economically, they need us. We should put America and Americans first, period.


We have priced ourselves out of the global market for most goods and services.

The more you push this crap, the more they increase immigration. Its mind blowing that y'all cant see the connection between pushing low level labor and immigration.


Go tariff the shite out of the rest of the world and enjoy your imported labor and high prices.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292723 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

Selfishly it won't be good for the company I work for


Tariffs are literally the rewarding of woke corporations at the expense of the working man.
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