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OLED Gaming a big disappointment
Posted on 9/7/24 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 9/7/24 at 8:37 pm
My 1080P Sony Bravia from 2015 finally died a few weeks ago, and I bought a Sony S90D OLED a a replacement.
The picture quality is excellent. It reminds me of my old Plasma TV (the best TV technology - died too soon) with slightly oversaturated colors and worse motion handling, but what no one talks about is the automatic brightness limiter.
Holy shite is it bad. Literally takes me out of every game I play when the brightness level randomly changes from scene to scene. I thought my TV was defective until I started reading about it, and it's apparently an inherent flaw with OLED technology to help prevent screen burn in.
How does anyone get used to this or are there settings I can turn on/off to decrease the ABL kicking in beyond just limiting the brightness of my TV to literally like 50%?
The picture quality is excellent. It reminds me of my old Plasma TV (the best TV technology - died too soon) with slightly oversaturated colors and worse motion handling, but what no one talks about is the automatic brightness limiter.
Holy shite is it bad. Literally takes me out of every game I play when the brightness level randomly changes from scene to scene. I thought my TV was defective until I started reading about it, and it's apparently an inherent flaw with OLED technology to help prevent screen burn in.
How does anyone get used to this or are there settings I can turn on/off to decrease the ABL kicking in beyond just limiting the brightness of my TV to literally like 50%?
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 8:38 pm
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 9:15 pm to BulldogXero
Would be shocked if you can't turn that off
Posted on 9/7/24 at 9:20 pm to SG_Geaux
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Would be shocked if you can't turn that off
There are a lot of other failsafes built into OLED technology that you can turn off which may contribute to the issue, but there's no way to disable the ABL itself. Even if you did, it might result in damaging the panel over time
Posted on 9/7/24 at 10:33 pm to BulldogXero
Can't relate, playing HDR games on OLED is life changing. My LG C3 and Alienware AW3225QF are divine gifts. No brightness limiter shite that I'm aware of
Posted on 9/7/24 at 10:59 pm to Carson123987
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Can't relate, playing HDR games on OLED is life changing. My LG C3 and Alienware AW3225QF are divine gifts. No brightness limiter shite that I'm aware of
I'm convinced that people who say these things are either playing with a low brightness level anyway or are blind.
It's like the people who say they can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS or that beer tastes good.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:04 am to BulldogXero
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My 1080P Sony Bravia from 2015 finally died a few weeks ago, and I bought a Sony S90D OLED a a replacement.
shite my 1080p Bravia from 2010 is still running strong. I've had a nice Samsung 4k tv crap out since I bought that thing. Feel like it is a good luck charm at this point so I keep it around with a Sony soundbar/receiver/bass combo from the same year in our bedroom.
Modern day OLEDs though I feel like LG is where it is at. Anyways I'm not tracking on the brightness issue that you mentioned. PC runs on an OLED and wife and I run a ps5 and series x on the OLED in the living room and never run into that issue.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:43 am to BulldogXero
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I'm convinced that people who say these things are either playing with a low brightness level anyway or are blind
I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but are you considering the possibility that you have the brightness set too high? A properly calibrated gaming monitor isn’t set anywhere near 100% brightness.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 10:08 am to BulldogXero
I am using LG - UltraGear 45” OLED Curved WQHD 240Hz and have had no issues that I have noticed.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 10:37 am to BulldogXero
I noticed this when playing a game that’s brightness varied a lot from one area to another. However the picture looked great so I didn’t really care after the first few times I noticed it happening.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:37 am to BulldogXero
Looking at my non-oled panel sucks. HDR + OLED is amazing...
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:59 pm to Joshjrn
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I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but are you considering the possibility that you have the brightness set too high? A properly calibrated gaming monitor isn’t set anywhere near 100% brightness.
It's a TV not a monitor, but possibly. The only settings adjustments I've done is what was recommended on Rtings.com so nothing major.
Last night I turned Brightness down to 40 (out of 50), Contrast to 35 (out of 50), and turned off Contrast Enhancer. Gonna run with that for a bit and see what happens.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 2:13 pm to BulldogXero
Still, TVs are only supposed to be set as bright as they need to be to correctly display contrast, and then secondarily, bright enough to eliminate or reduce glare.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 2:27 pm to BulldogXero
I would likely never buy an OLED TV. Too much light in my room and I want to really take advantage of Dolby Vision which I feel like OLED aren't bright enough
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:23 pm to BulldogXero
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Last night I turned Brightness down to 40 (out of 50), Contrast to 35 (out of 50), and turned off Contrast Enhancer. Gonna run with that for a bit and see what happens.
Nope, still getting smacked in the face by brightness limiting whenever there's really bright effects on the screen. Literally dims the entire screen for several seconds at a time.
The only way to stop this seems to be to dim the screen to the point of where everything looks like grey soup. I may have to return this TV.
Again, anyone who says they don't notice this is either blind, in denial, or plays a lot of games set in dark environments.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:20 pm to BulldogXero
Yes ABL has long been an issue with OLED TV's. This is listed under HDR brightness on rtings.
LG C3 they specifically mention it's quite bad for example.
Same thing for the S90D as it has the exact same score for ABL as the C3 at 0.101.
LG C3 they specifically mention it's quite bad for example.
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The LG C3 has very good HDR peak brightness. In certain scenes, it's a noticeable improvement from last year's LG C2 OLED. Like other OLEDs, large bright scenes are significantly dimmer than smaller highlights due to the Automatic Brightness Limiter (ABL). It's not very noticeable during normal viewing, as the brightness transitions are typically smooth and seamless. However, the TV is much dimmer when watching very bright HDR content for extended periods, and the ABL is distracting when using the TV as a PC monitor.
Setting Peak Brightness to 'Off' reduces the ABL feature's aggressiveness but also reduces the panel's peak brightness in all scenes, which makes the TV look dimmer all the time.
Same thing for the S90D as it has the exact same score for ABL as the C3 at 0.101.
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The Samsung S90D/S90DD has excellent HDR brightness. It gets bright enough for highlights to really stand out and delivers an impactful HDR experience. Unfortunately, large bright scenes are significantly dimmer than smaller specular highlights due to the TV's aggressive Automatic Brightness Limiter (ABL).
The TV's Automatic Static Brightness Limiter (ASBL) is surprisingly aggressive with the sustained 10% window, so small bright highlights are dimmed considerably when they're on screen for more than a few minutes.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:10 pm to BulldogXero
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convinced that people who say these things are either playing with a low brightness level anyway or are blind.
Nope. I ran Elden Ring on my C2 and had it very bright in HDR. Could be a gaming setting on the tv. Never got dim unless I stopped putting in inputs from controller
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:24 pm to UltimateHog
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Yes ABL has long been an issue with OLED TV's. This is listed under HDR brightness on rtings.
I guess I underestimated this, or at least when you read "small bright highlights," what they really mean is "the entire screen" for significant periods of time.
Seeing it in action, I'm not sure how anyone tolerates this. To me, it's so flawed/bad I'm not even sure why they sell these things without getting raked over the coals.
It's quite literally like you are chugging along, everything looks fine, and then a switch gets flipped and the entire screen darkens to a noticeable degree before you move to a location and/or scene that isn't quite as bright. To me, this completely ruins the picture. When you aggressively darken the image, the colors become washed out thus the entire point of OLED is negated.
The more I read, the more it seems like people shouldn't bother with OLED unless they buy a top of the line model with a heatsink. Even then, I've not used any of those TVs so I have no idea how much of an improvement that would be.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:37 am to BulldogXero
The only time I notice any ABL on my LG G3 77 inch is when the game has a static image for too long.
I haven’t played on my S90C nearly as much but when I did a bunch of Elden Ring and DS there was zero ABL issues.
Sounds like S90D either has a bug or you are playing something with large static elements at max brightness.
I haven’t played on my S90C nearly as much but when I did a bunch of Elden Ring and DS there was zero ABL issues.
Sounds like S90D either has a bug or you are playing something with large static elements at max brightness.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 8:31 am to BulldogXero
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I'm convinced that people who say these things are either playing with a low brightness level anyway or are blind.
It's like the people who say they can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS or that beer tastes good.
Lol I have a more refined palate when it comes to this stuff than anyone on this board. If I was experiencing something as bad as what you're describing, I would've returned the device immediately.
Sounds like you just got a TV with some fricked up overcompensating shite on it. I run Rtings' settings on my CX and C3 and not once have I ever run into anything as jarring as what you're describing. Maybe you're playing games that trigger this phenomenon and I'm not. No clue. I have my new Alienware OLED monitor side by side with my old LG OLED 4k144 monitor and it is hysterical comparing the picture qualities of each side by side. Never going back.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 8:51 am
Posted on 9/9/24 at 8:31 am to BulldogXero
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It's quite literally like you are chugging along, everything looks fine, and then a switch gets flipped and the entire screen darkens to a noticeable degree before you move to a location and/or scene that isn't quite as bright. To me, this completely ruins the picture. When you aggressively darken the image, the colors become washed out thus the entire point of OLED is negated.
Never experienced this in my LIFE like this. It sounds like they're putting a film over your screen
ETA: Now I'm really curious. What are you playing, let me see if I can recreate it. If Elden Ring's bright areas didnt trigger this, I don't know what would, but I want to try
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 9:18 am
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