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Successful College Programs that were laid to waste when they ran off/fired their HC

Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:15 am
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:15 am
I like to use Bo Pelini as a cautionary tale about wanting their head coach replaced. In his 7 full years as head coach he won at least 9 games every year and they ran him out of town and the result was the decimation of a one of the great programs that still hasn't recovered .

Since 2011, Dabo has won at least 10 game with the exception of last year when he "only" won 9 games and fan are bitching because Clemson lost to a historically great Uga team that they were a double-digit favorite.

If Clemson finally runs Dabo off we could just as easily end up being the next Nebraska.

That being said, what are some other examples that fell off into oblivion when the successful Head Coach was ran off?

ND when Holtz left?
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 6:47 am
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38364 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:18 am to
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I like to use Bo Pelini as a cautionary tale about wanting their head coach replaced. In his 7 full years as head coach he won at least 9 games every year and they ran him out of town and the result was the decimation of a one of the great programs that still hasn't recovered .



Firing Solich was more egregious and the actual beginning of the end.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7650 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:19 am to
Texas Tech and Mke Leach
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7650 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:25 am to
You could argue outside of one Herman and Sarkisian year, UT hasn't been relevant since Mack Brown got shipped off. It was the right move, but they made the wrong hires.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:27 am to
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If Clemson finally runs Dabo off we could just as easily end being the next Nebraska.


Dabo is the whole program. There is no Clemson without Dabo. You are South Carolina without him.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34684 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:28 am to
Florida firing Dan Mullen for Billy Napier was pretty bad.
Posted by Donkus
Shreveport
Member since Feb 2013
1424 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:29 am to
Kansas and Mangino. Apparently he was harsh to players and had some campus cops upset about his parking tickets.

From Wiki:
Kansas would not win more than three games in a season following Mangino's departure until their 2022 season 13 years later.
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6345 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:30 am to
On a relative basis, FIU firing Cristobal and New Mexico firing Rocky Long were pretty egregious.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62959 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:30 am to
The youngsters may not believe but Syracuse football was pretty fricking salty in the late 90s under Paul Pasqualoni. It had trended downward by 2004, they fired him, and they have been in abyss since IMO
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38364 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:30 am to
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Florida firing Dan Mullen for Billy Napier was pretty bad.



Mullen had completely phoned it in at that point and basically given up even trying to recruit, but probably should have gotten one more year.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47538 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:34 am to
Michigan ran Lloyd Carr off and sucked for almost 15 years after.

Colorado with Gary Barnett was my first thought. They've had one winning season since he "resigned".
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9192 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:36 am to
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Dabo is the whole program. There is no Clemson without Dabo. You are South Carolina without him.


I agree. Dabo is operating in a league that is at a major financial disadvantage and doesn't have the financial firepower to land those mega stars that can make an immediate impact like Cam Ward will do. Developing players out of High School is Dabo's strength and best way to recruit in the ACC. Sure, he should be able to use the portal a little but I don't want to be on FSU's roller coaster.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38364 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:39 am to
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I agree. Dabo is operating in a league that is at a major financial disadvantage and doesn't have the financial firepower to land those mega stars that can make an immediate impact like Cam Ward will do. Developing players out of High School is Dabo's strength and best way to recruit in the ACC. Sure, he should be able to use the portal a little but I don't want to be on FSU's roller coaster.



There's a happy medium between being Colorado and so stubborn that you refuse to take a single portal player.

Dabo isn't getting fired any time in the foreseable future, so seems like a moot point.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 8:40 am
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
18535 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:49 am to
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There's a happy medium between being Colorado and so stubborn that you refuse to take a single portal player.


Lots of good examples of this in the sport right now too. You fill gaping holes, but it isn't the foundation for a roster like high school recruiting should be.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89353 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:53 am to
The cautionary tale here isn't "don't fire your HC", it's "if you do fire a good/decent HC, you better damn well be SURE you're hiring an upgrade".

Sometimes the writing is simply on the wall and you know a guy has taken you as far as he can. There also needs to be a reality check of expectations as well. Back when Pelini/Nebraska was winning 9 games the NU admin probably though "that's bullshite, we should be winning 11 games a year and in natty convo every couple yeras". That's probably not a realistic expectation.

Let's take a school like florida though. After spurrier they had ron zook who was only there 3 years before they knew the jig was up. This wa sa big crossroads but they got Urban so it worked for them. Richt had clearly plateaued by the time we fired him in 2015 but we also made the right call. Plenty of schools have made the right call. Then you have schools like nebraska and tennessee that have made poor choices and just contuinually shot themselves in the foot, not simply because they fired a coach quickly but beacuse they keep hiring shite coaches.

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If Clemson finally runs Dabo off we could just as easily end being the next Nebraska


100% dependent on the hire. Dabo is a worse version of mark richt if you take out the two #1 overall NFL draft phenom QBs he had. Venebales certainly was a huge factor as well. Without Deshaun/Trevor Dabo is basically an above average coach in a complete dogshit league. And considering his best days are clearly behind him and he refuses to adapt to the modern game, it's going to be in clemson's best interest to get someone better sooner rather than later. That is...if you want to actually copmete for natties. Clemson will make the playoffs or at least be in playoff contention every single year just because of how big of an utter joke the ACC is. So if playoff contention is your goal, stick with dabo. If national titles are your goal, this past Saturday should make it crystal clear how big the ever-expanding gap is between clemson and an actual title contender.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82517 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:57 am to
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Clemson lost to a historically great Uga team


Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:00 am to
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I agree. Dabo is operating in a league that is at a major financial disadvantage and doesn't have the financial firepower to land those mega stars that can make an immediate impact like Cam Ward will do. Developing players out of High School is Dabo's strength and best way to recruit in the ACC. Sure, he should be able to use the portal a little but I don't want to be on FSU's roller coaster.


Let's be honest. Dabo had the stars align to go on the run he went on. UGA, UF, FSU and Miami were all down. He saw his opportunity to get talent and won big. But now Kirby has UGA rolling, FSU has been better and Miami is starting to invest, Clemson is going backwards. It's not super complicated.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20538 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:08 am to
Does Bama running off Shula count? For the most part it's been downhill for the SECW since
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
26297 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:12 am to
Arkansas firing Petrino was essentially a self-imposed death penalty for the football program for 12 years.

His firing literally caused the worst stretch in program history, with the Chad Morris shitfest as the crowning shite sandwich.

Amazingly, the University I guess is trying to reverse the moto curse now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463655 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:16 am to
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Let's be honest. Dabo had the stars align to go on the run he went on. UGA, UF, FSU and Miami were all down. He saw his opportunity to get talent and won big. But now Kirby has UGA rolling, FSU has been better and Miami is starting to invest, Clemson is going backwards. It's not super complicated.

Yeah this reminds of Tennessee

They got dominant recruiting OOS (West Coast/California and GA) when the usual suspects were in a down period. Got a generational QB randomly in the mix. As soon as the usual suspects (USC, UGA, etc.) got better, Tennessee crumbled.

I will add Texas to OP. They went through some shite after firing Mack.
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