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Foundation Wall Missed The Footers

Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:32 pm
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:32 pm
I guess I jinxed myself in my earlier post about saving money…



Went up to check the progress of the foundation wall today. As I was walking around I noticed this. I assume the block guys realized it was off as the ground has been painted (I put up the string line to see how bad it was). I haven’t called my builder so I’m not sure if he’s aware yet or not.

Granted I’m not a foundation guy but this isn’t going to fly, correct? My first thoughts are that it’s going to have to be dug wider, rebar drilled into the side of the existing footer, then poured. Will that work? Again, this is just me thinking. I don’t know what the builder is going to say or recommend.

As far as costs. Is this something that the builder usually eats or I’m I liable for this screw up?
Posted by Goldensammy
Cypress, TX
Member since Jun 2016
947 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:23 pm to
That some shitty looking work there. You should fire your builder. It will only get worse moving forward.
Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
6101 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:48 am to
Hire some mexicans
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
6809 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 8:35 am to
As I have recently discovered, builders and remodelers will hide/cover/lie about all sorts of stuff and you won’t find out it is messed up until many years later when they are long gone. Get them to do it right now.
Posted by Maillard
BTR
Member since Jul 2021
273 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 8:39 am to
You might want to pull all of your string lines and check your dimensions. If they miss that they might have missed something else.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46404 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:27 pm to
a couple things

it appears you are building a block chain wall foundation. So they earth formed the grade beam which is perfectly fine. It looks like shite at the edges but it will all get covered up, there was no need to edge form it.

look at your structural drawings…look and see where the engineer wanted the block to fall on the grade beam. If it’s on the edge then you are fine(ish). Obviously if it’s in the middle then you aren’t fine. But just because it’s not aesthetically pleasing at this point in construction doesn’t mean there’s an issue.

If there is an issue with the block/grade beam connection (again, look at your drawings) then you’ll need to address with your builder so he can consult with the engineer for a solution (and there’s always a solution)

Good luck
Posted by Maillard
BTR
Member since Jul 2021
273 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:01 pm to
Adding onto cgrands post, look at your S-1/ foundation plan to see if the rebar is called out. An ELL bar extended up is much better when tied into the footer. Epoxy is nice, but only if done correctly and with proper depth. And put blocking in for the sex swing that you will add in three to five years after the build. It's cheap right now. Best extra money spent for me. ??
Posted by meltingman
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:39 pm to
Stop saying FOOTER!
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46404 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 8:47 pm to
quote:

meltingman
checks out
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2708 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

look and see where the engineer wanted the block to fall on the grade beam. If it’s on the edge then you are fine(ish)


I looked at the drawings. Oddly, there's a pier detail that calls for a minimum 5" set back from each edge (block centered). However, the foundation wall detail has no minimum. The drawing does show the block centered on the footer but there's no detail stating a required setback.

Interestingly there's a detail showing foundation with brick veneer which also doesn't indicate a minimum set back but shows the block centered on the footer with the brick veneer on the footer edge. The wall in question isn't getting a brick veneer. In my non-engineering line of thinking, if the brick ledge can be on the edge of the footer then the block should be able to be on the edge as well?

I also talked to my builder. He (obviously) said it wasn't a problem and code only requires 70% of the block to be on the footer. He did agree that it was my house and my call and he'd would do whatever I wanted to be satisfied. He said he could either cut it out and re-pour it, or dig out beside the footer and extend the footer to be under the block. Both instances would have rebar drilled into the footer to "bond" them together.
Posted by Maillard
BTR
Member since Jul 2021
273 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 9:56 pm to
Based on your string line 70% of the block will be on fluff of the concrete on the side. I'm going to go with the other poster and tell you you need to find a different contractor. It's not the right way to do it. I'm a contractor and really dislike the shoddy ones. Any variance in the foundation transfers to the top. Deviations only increase in construction.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:27 am to
quote:

He (obviously) said it wasn't a problem and code only requires 70% of the block to be on the footer.
contractor here too…that’s not a good answer.

sorry you are dealing with this. Contact the engineer yourself and have this inspected
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
1803 posts
Posted on 9/1/24 at 9:56 am to
is it brick veneer? or ....?
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2708 posts
Posted on 9/1/24 at 10:35 am to
quote:

is it brick veneer? or ....?


This particular wall is not getting a brick veneer. My plans do show a veneer detail for the other walls which has the brick sitting on the edge of the footer.

quote:

contractor here too…that’s not a good answer.


I don’t want to completely trash him. That comment was made during the discussion. Not as his answer. He said if I was worried about it from a code perspective that only 70% needed to be on the footer to pass and the inspector would approve it (after talking to some people I’ve been led to the same belief that it would indeed pass inspection). When I said it was more of a personal concern about the structural integrity going forward he then stated it was my house and he would do whatever he needed to ease my mind but assured me that it wouldn’t be an issue.

Just some back info. This home is in North Georgia. Plans were done by a draftsman and not an engineer. County doesn’t require a stamped set of plans to get a permit. County doesn’t require plans at all actually but only the square footage you are building. Plans were chosen off a website then modified to our likings through the draftsman.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46404 posts
Posted on 9/1/24 at 2:55 pm to
the point to consider is that it would not have been any additional effort to locate the grade beam correctly. He made a mistake and it’s a pretty obvious one. There were multiple opportunities to confirm whether it was correct or not just by using the batter boards
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
4400 posts
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

Stop saying FOOTER!




Footer, hot water heater, inside unit, outside unit



there. maybe your head just exploded
Posted by PolarPop5
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Aug 2017
295 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:10 pm to
SE here. I am 100% having them fix this to provide full block bearing on the footing. The last thing you want is a foundation failure because someone did bad work and the GC talked you into accepting it.

Of equal concern to me would be the lack of vertical dowels connecting the footing to the CMU wall.

That is a must.
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
1803 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 6:33 am to
a must? I think only in very high wind areas and certain seismic areas would they be required in residential.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23312 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:26 am to
Hell man have something done OP just so this subcontractor and contractor do a better job of doing it right next time for someone else. That's a big damn miss IMO, some very lazy measuring it seems like to me.

Another reason to have it fixed to some degree is so that your general contractor doesn't think you are just a pushover and going to allow some other work to slide. Its one thing to be a PITA high maintenance customer and home owner but there's nothing wrong to just expect normal work.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1554 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:10 pm to
Judging by the line in the picture, It doesn't appear 70% of the block will be on the footer on the entire length.
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