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Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:52 am
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2007 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:52 am
Particularly looking for folks older than me lol.

35 yo. Married. 2 young kids.

Wife and I have been discussing building our "forever" home. Targeting end of next year or Q1 2026.

We currently live in a 1,750 sf home that I bought as a "starter" house 10 years ago. It was built in 1983. I bought it for $169k and since living in here have probably put $25k in improvements into it. It's worth $240-250 tomorrow.

Am I crazy for having second thoughts of building a brand new 3000sf home, that will probably cost us $600-700k?

Should we instead just build a shop at the current house? Maybe add on? There are some clear flaws in the house we're in. Lack of storage. Smaller bedrooms, and a small bathrooms.

But idk: The thought of living mortage free, forever, and taking the ~$150k in cash that we probably would put down on the next one and continuing to invest it, honestly sounds kind of nice.

What do you guys think?
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47403 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:56 am to
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Wife and I have been discussing building our "forever" home.


sounds like you know this is never true.

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What do you guys think?


Impossible to know your situation, but it really boils down to where you are with the rest of your finances.

Are you already maxing out your tax-advantaged retirement plans? Are you on track to meet your retirement goals?

Are you moving to get your kids into better school districts? Is the current area you are in not safe?

Can you truly afford the new mortgage?
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2007 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:02 am to
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Are you already maxing out your tax-advantaged retirement plans?


Maxing 401k and HSA. I'm well on track to meet retirement plans.
Wife is a state employee and will received state retirement benefits.

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Are you moving to get your kids into better school districts?

We own a lot a mile from where we currently live, in the same school district. The only real reason is to upgrade.

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Is the current area you are in not safe?

No

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Can you truly afford the new mortgage?

By my earliest estimates, new mortgage would roughly be no more than 16% of gross monthly income.

Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12907 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:05 am to
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By my earliest estimates, new mortgage would roughly be no more than 16% of gross monthly income


To me it sounds like a no brainer. Maxing out 401k and HSA already and still only 16 percent gross? Yeah do it man. I’m guessing this 16 percent takes into account the equity you think you’ll have to lower the down payment on the new mortgage?
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2007 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:05 am to
I guess my struggle is it all boils down to Want vs Need.

Is it worth throwing your life's savings at it? And for what exactly? Living in a bigger/nicer box?

idk. Just struggling with it lol
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2007 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:06 am to
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To me it sounds like a no brainer. Maxing out 401k and HSA already and still only 16 percent gross? Yeah do it man. I’m guessing this 16 percent takes into account the equity you think you’ll have to lower the down payment on the new mortgage?


Yes.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12907 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:13 am to
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Is it worth throwing your life's savings at it?


This is an interesting tidbit. Are you leaving yourself a comfortable amount in checking/savings? Granted a new build won’t really have any major maintenance issues for a while.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1746 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:15 am to
Sure sound financially capable of doing this. A couple other questions that come to mind: Are the wife and kids going to be happier with more space? Those kids are going to grow and get aggravating-er.

Why do you need to put your life savings down? If it's only 16% of your monthly, it sounds like you can stretch that a bit, put less down, and leave the investments alone. You have 18 months before you start building and probably 24 months before you would finish. I'd guess you'll get better interest rates in that time frame... you can make a different decision with the new information.

I understand not wanting to pay 6-7% on the 150k, but what if it's 4.5%?
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2007 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:20 am to
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Are the wife and kids going to be happier with more space


Definitely the wife. We've also kicked around the idea of adding on to where we are, but I'm not confident in the foundation. It's got some issues. Fixable issues, but issues. Expanding the bathrooms, building a shop for storage are certainly doable options.

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Are you leaving yourself a comfortable amount in checking/savings

I'd probably try to keep 10k after it's all said and done just in case...


Anyone ever make this decision and regret it? Wish you would've stayed in the smaller, more inexpensive house?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
57013 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:20 am to
I’ve never met a person that’s more happy because they got more house
Posted by footballdude
BR
Member since Sep 2010
1107 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:26 am to
For women,

"Forever" = "Absolutely No Budget Limit"
Posted by Uroblast
SE TN
Member since Jan 2010
146 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:28 am to
This ^^^^^^

No such thing
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59168 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:40 am to
If you are going to add on or expand, it wont be cheap for significant improvements. So if you add that to your existing note it may not be as much of a difference as you think. There is nothing like financial security, and nothing strains a life like being in a bad financial situation...but if you can afford it, and your kids are young enough to enjoy it I vote to upgrade. That said, once you build there is a TON of other spending you may need to make, sod, landscaping, irrigation, fencing, and on and on. I will always think that buying an existing home that is ready to move in and take on is a better option than building.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
17457 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

Particularly looking for folks older than me lol. 35 yo. Married. 2 young kids. Wife and I have been discussing building our "forever" home. Targeting end of next year or Q1 2026. We currently live in a 1,750 sf home that I bought as a "starter" house 10 years ago. It was built in 1983. I bought it for $169k and since living in here have probably put $25k in improvements into it. It's worth $240-250 tomorrow. Am I crazy for having second thoughts of building a brand new 3000sf home, that will probably cost us $600-700k? Should we instead just build a shop at the current house? Maybe add on? There are some clear flaws in the house we're in. Lack of storage. Smaller bedrooms, and a small bathrooms. But idk: The thought of living mortage free, forever, and taking the ~$150k in cash that we probably would put down on the next one and continuing to invest it, honestly sounds kind of nice. What do you guys think?



I say build it. I’m 43 and started on plans for my “forever home” in June of 2019. 3500 SQFT came in around $675,000 then I added about another 100k to 125k with generator, fencing, pool and hot tub . Just sold it for close to 900k after living in it for 3.5 years and due to a job opportunity that took me to Texas.

I had a nice house before but it didn’t fit what we wanted any longer and I have no regrets building a bigger nicer house.m that fit our needs better. We entertained a lot more in our house than we ever did with a cookie cutter 400k house with a 10x10 back porch.

I’m in the market to do it again or buy something already done.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
57013 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:23 pm to
I feel like the music has to stop on housing musical chairs at some point


If this guy bought a nice house for 169k and has a lot a mile away I’m assuming he’s rural. If he’s in Louisiana, putting up a house that costs more than 400k in a rural area is a bat signal for someone to put a used trailer on the next closest lot
Posted by CharlieTiger
ATL
Member since Jun 2014
919 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:00 pm to
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I’ve never met a person that’s more happy because they got more house


I've never met anyone that's happy because they stayed in a small house. Going from ~1700 to 3k sq ft with 2 kids in the house is going to be amazing. 3k sq ft is not that big either.

I was in a similar situation about 10 years ago. Had one kid and planned on having another, but we were in a 1k sq ft house. My closet was in our kids bedroom which also housed the washer and dryer. It was less than ideal. We live in a unique area of Atlanta that's in town but also has it's own school district, which is very good. At the time, 4/3's in the 3k sq ft range were in the 700's and up. Now they're over $1MM. We were better off rebuilding than buying at the time.

We made the decision to tear ours down to the foundation and build a house roughly 3x the size of what we had. It was basically building a brand new house, although we were able to use about 2/3 of the existing foundation, so that did save us a good bit. We immediately gained about $400k in equity, so we could sell and cash in on that if needed. It was a no brainer given our location and the ability to sell at a premium if we needed to.

Based on what the OP said about their financial situation, I say do it. Those kids are going to be bigger and bigger before you know it and having that extra room is going to be amazing for everyone involved.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2007 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:11 pm to
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If he’s in Louisiana, putting up a house that costs more than 400k in a rural area is a bat signal for someone to put a used trailer on the next closest lot


Greater BR area. No need to worry about Mobile homes.
Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
1821 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 2:35 pm to
If you are planning ahead for retirement etc. and it's not a stretch build the house.

I feel like unless you have a very good reason that you want to save the money etc. there is something to be said for being comfortable.

I feel like so many people feel the need to save every dollar that they don't spend and make themselves miserable.

I get that we'd be better off if more people were like that than opposed to the people that need Dave Ramsey badly.

But at the same time you can't take it with you might as well enjoy it while it's here.
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4933 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 2:40 pm to
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 3k sq ft is not that big either.


It's amazing what I read on this board sometimes.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55788 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 3:10 pm to
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We currently live in a 1,750 sf home that I bought as a "starter" house 10 years ago. It was built in 1983. I bought it for $169k and since living in here have probably put $25k in improvements into it. It's worth $240-250 tomorrow.


That sounds almost exactly like my situation.

quote:

35 yo. Married. 2 young kids.

Am I crazy for having second thoughts of building a brand new 3000sf home, that will probably cost us $600-700k?


Crazy? No. On the surface it doesn't sound like a bad idea, but $600k-$700k for 3ksqft sounds a bit high (but I'm not in home-building, so take that for what it's worth).

There are some questions though:

How much do you have left on your current home?
If still paying notes, how much per month?
What's your household take-home pay (ie: after taxes) each month?
How old are the kids?
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