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Wild Quail
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:41 am
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:41 am
Anyone still hunting wild quail in the SE? Not cotton tops or california quail out west but Bobs in the south? There is a town south of us (Waynesboro, Georgia) that calls itself the bird dog capital of the world. Don't know if there was ever any veracity to the claim BUT there used to be quail everywhere. I have access to 310 square miles of near pristine southern forest that is located in what once was about as good partridge shooting as one could ask for (can't hunt the area) and in 4 years I have not only not seen a quail I have not heard one call. There is no agriculture at all, other than pine trees, on that property but it is surrounded by crops and is crawling with dove....but there is no sign of a quail anywhere in the area. There used to be a sizeable quail unlimited property about 50 miles north of this property and it was crawling with birds 20 or so years ago...it is also devoid of birds as far as I can tell. Is anyone still hunting wild quail in the south east? Its a shame how decimated it appears they are....
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:57 am to AwgustaDawg
I have 3 or 4 coveys on our property south of Abeline. Hear them every day and jump them fairly frequently.
We don’t hunt them though.
Trying to protect the resource.
I’ve heard fire ants, road runners, lack of premium environment, deer and everything under the sun as to the demise. Don’t know what the real reason is, but there are def way less now than when I was a kid.
We don’t hunt them though.
Trying to protect the resource.
I’ve heard fire ants, road runners, lack of premium environment, deer and everything under the sun as to the demise. Don’t know what the real reason is, but there are def way less now than when I was a kid.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:00 am to Bigsampson
Landowners gonna have to put some effort into restoring habitat.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:02 am to AwgustaDawg
A buddy of mine has a few wild coveys at his lake house in Southern Virginia. He didn't even know about them until we were having coffee one morning after an all night rain storm and saw them pecking around in the middle of his dirt road. The next year, we busted a covey of 8 or so right underneath a very tall tree with a bald eagles nest on the top. Guess he was more interested in fish from the lake than the quail at his feet.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:22 am to AwgustaDawg
Plenty of plantations in the Red Hills of south GA with enormous quantities of birds. But they are managed extremely intensely and I don’t know if you can even pay to hunt them. I think it’s all very exclusive, invite only plantations.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:39 am to turkish
As soon as they figure out how to get rid of fire ants, the quail will come back, but good luck with that.
Reminds me of an old MacGuyver episode where ants were eating people whole. MG figured out how to make a flame thrower with a paper clip and some chewing gum and escaped.
Reminds me of an old MacGuyver episode where ants were eating people whole. MG figured out how to make a flame thrower with a paper clip and some chewing gum and escaped.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:20 am to latech15
Not so much for large tracks, but for ants in your yard use Bifen. Spray your entire yard and there won't be a single ant hill for about 6 months, before they start re-encroaching around the edges.
We spray the yard every 6-8 months. but then again--there's no insects in the yard after we spray (which we are fine with).
Regarding fire ants on large tracks, there is almost no way to control it.
We recently burned out entire property (80 acres) which seemed to help some with the ants/overgrowth--but the fire dramatically increased nesting habitat. Our quail population is about as good as it was in the late 80's early 90's. I can sit on the back porch every afternoon and listen to multiple coveys whistling their heads off.
We spray the yard every 6-8 months. but then again--there's no insects in the yard after we spray (which we are fine with).
Regarding fire ants on large tracks, there is almost no way to control it.
We recently burned out entire property (80 acres) which seemed to help some with the ants/overgrowth--but the fire dramatically increased nesting habitat. Our quail population is about as good as it was in the late 80's early 90's. I can sit on the back porch every afternoon and listen to multiple coveys whistling their heads off.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:27 am to dpier16
The same downfall of quail has also bled over into the turkey's here in SE LA (Washington Parish). It was a normal day to wake up in 2008-2015 and hear multiple coveys of quail and multiple gobblers.
However, the timber practices have changes: banning fire, not allowing hunting club members to clean under the pines, and spraying ariel sprays.
If everyone on Facebook would stop crying about controlled burns, SE LA could go back to the most productive Turkey habitat in the State
However, the timber practices have changes: banning fire, not allowing hunting club members to clean under the pines, and spraying ariel sprays.
If everyone on Facebook would stop crying about controlled burns, SE LA could go back to the most productive Turkey habitat in the State
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:01 am to AwgustaDawg
We have a few in Madison Parish, but not enough to hunt. I’ve come across a fair amount in Copiah County.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:30 am to latech15
I don’t know. I used to say that. But I’ve listened to some podcasts about this. Apparently they have plenty of fire ants in S GA in the Red Hills along with a very high population of bobwhite.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:53 am to 257WBY
Reading the responses it looks like outside of some high level managed areas there is almost no wild quail hunting in the SE anymore. Thats a shame. I grew up on the west side of Atlanta and we could walk up 3-4 coveys day on power line right of ways and clear cut timber property. They weren't thick but they were around....it was very common to hear them calling. I haven't noticed a bob white call in years in our area. We used to walk them up on Six Flags property in the late 70s and early 80s. Imagine a couple of 14 year old boys toting shotguns around 6 Flags LOL. Not in the park of course but on property they owned for expansion....they made about 20 acres into a gravel parking lot and during the offseason that parking lot was loaded with dove and had several coveys of quail living along the edge of it and the surrounding woods. I would bet there ain't several covey of quail in the entirety of Cobb County today. Its a shame.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:16 am to latech15
It’s really not so much the ants but rather land use and land management changes. Pretty significant thinning to achieve low basal areas and remove hardwoods, burning programs, fields w/ ragweed &c. for chicks to feed, and sometimes supplemental feeding programs (for adults) are all critical to maintaining decent numbers of birds.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:18 am to dpier16
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Not so much for large tracks, but for ants in your yard use Bifen. Spray your entire yard and there won't be a single ant hill for about 6 months, before they start re-encroaching around the edges.
We spray the yard every 6-8 months. but then again--there's no insects in the yard after we spray (which we are fine with).
So, it sounds like this would have a bad effect on the food supply for the quail. I realize that quail eat grain and seeds also, but wouldn't those also be contaminated with the poison?
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:33 am to dpier16
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If everyone on Facebook would stop crying about controlled burns
It's absolutly insane how scared of controlled fire the general public is in the Deep South. I can't run a fire without the local 911 getting multiple calls from folks passing by and seeing smoke.
It's pitiful
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:53 am to Boudreaux35
As above, the ants aren’t the problem. And, I don’t know all insects that Bifen actually works on (75+ species), but given that quail chicks need to eat insects as a large part of their diet, spraying a broad-spectrum insecticide all over the place during the breeding season (when fire ants could potentially affect nests) is a pretty bad idea.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:57 am to turkish
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I don’t know. I used to say that. But I’ve listened to some podcasts about this. Apparently they have plenty of fire ants in S GA in the Red Hills along with a very high population of bobwhite.
SW Georgia was, through the early 1970s, about as good as good could get for quail hunting. Still LOADS of plantations being heavily managed to maintain habitat but many of them are doing so with semi wild birds and most of them are out of reach for anyone who is not very wealthy and connected. I have a friend whose family farms about 1000 acres in what was once the best quail habitat in North America (bob white)....that area is a shadow of what it once was because they do not manage it for quail, it is a working farm and as such they do what others do to remain competitive. Still excellent dove shooting and they still have some quail but they are quickly disappearing. The area I live in is across the state but through the early 70's if anyplace was better it was SW Georgia...we have almost no quail now.
I just read a report (because of this thread) and in 1962 135,000 hunters harvested 4 million quail in Georgia (estimated) and by 2019 13,000 hunters harvested 130,000 birds but 117,000 of those were pen raised birds. That is a depressing decline.
There has been a lot of studies done and almost all of them point to habitat degradation as the main reason quail are depleted. What those studies do not look at are what has happened to the birds that were numerous and did not use what is considered typical quail habitat in Georgia. It was well known in most of the quail hunting areas of the state that for every covey of birds found in somewhat accesible areas of fields and broom sage there were 10 coveys who never left incredibly thick cover in swamps and river bottoms. Those areas have not changed as much as the typical habitat....and those birds are non-existent now also.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:35 pm to dpier16
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Regarding fire ants on large tracks, there is almost no way to control it.
Fly Amdro on via crop duster.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:36 pm to quail_bird
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It’s really not so much the ants but rather land use and land management changes.
This.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:04 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I just read a report (because of this thread) and in 1962 135,000 hunters harvested 4 million quail in Georgia (estimated) and by 2019 13,000 hunters harvested 130,000 birds but 117,000 of those were pen raised birds. That is a depressing decline.
Can confirm. I'm from SW GA - the mecca of quail hunting. My grandad and his generation ALL had bird dogs. Quail hunting was just the thing everybody did on the weekends because they were so plentiful.
I've never shot a wild quail.
Pretty depressing.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:29 pm to ridlejs
I heard the 1st quail that I've heard in 10+ yrs at my farm a few weeks ago. Heard it 3 different days. Sounded like it might have been a male looking for females.
Burning is very important for quail. In the 50s, 60s and 70s, it was a common practice.
Very few people burn anymore.
I tried to burn my place last year. Had everything ready to go (fire lines cut and things I didn't want burned protected) but I was never burn it with the wind and rain.
State was going to burn my lower 45 acres but they had the same problem. Just too windy and wet.
I'm hoping that changes this coming spring. Having quail is the ultimate dream/goal at my place.
Burning is very important for quail. In the 50s, 60s and 70s, it was a common practice.
Very few people burn anymore.
I tried to burn my place last year. Had everything ready to go (fire lines cut and things I didn't want burned protected) but I was never burn it with the wind and rain.
State was going to burn my lower 45 acres but they had the same problem. Just too windy and wet.
I'm hoping that changes this coming spring. Having quail is the ultimate dream/goal at my place.
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