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Decreasing effective tax liability

Posted on 7/24/24 at 2:29 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48718 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 2:29 pm
Need some advice from the board. Our family's federal tax liability has crept upwards the last five years and is at a point that I find completely unacceptable. Does anyone have any strategies for reducing tax liability outside of the traditional methods? We max out 401(k) contributions already.
Posted by SwampCollie
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
288 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 3:04 pm to
-Owning a (legitimate) side business offers greatest tax advantages
-529 for kids
-Max HSA if available
-FSA if available/needed
-Homestead exemption
-Defered income plans
-Brokerage losses can offset some capital gains

Owning a revenue generating business provides greatest quantity and quality of tax mitigation levers
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18060 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 3:13 pm to
Make less money
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
3059 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 4:24 pm to
Need details. W-2, K-1, 1099, INT, DIV. What are the income sources? What’s your current rate?
quote:

Owning a revenue generating business provides greatest quantity and quality of tax mitigation levers

This.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90107 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:06 pm to
If you’re a regular employee there is nothing you can really do to lower your income outside of the basics.

There are, however, various ways to invest that help minimize your new income.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2683 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:44 pm to
If you're contributing to Roth 401k you could switch to traditional.
Posted by horsesandbulls
Destin, FL
Member since Jun 2008
5027 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:11 pm to
Pay a licensed professional
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
6282 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:31 pm to
You could lie or stop paying altogether.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18604 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 7:03 am to
quote:

Owning a revenue generating business provides greatest quantity and quality of tax mitigation levers


Make sure any deduction is legitimate.
The idea that you can call whatever a business expense is overblown.

They love to audit 1099 type businesses.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14026 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 9:48 am to
After the Trump tax cuts, there is not much a W-2 employee can do. Limits on deductions for mortgage interest, state and local taxes were designed to hurt blue states, but they had an impact on us, too. Even charitable donations are not a big tax benefit anymore. The 2017 tax cuts reduced the marginal tax benefit of giving to charity by more than 30 percent, raising the after-tax cost of donating by more than 5 percent. Using part of your home as an office or owning a business and writing tons of things off are items thrown out as ideas, but they are inviting an audit.

Max out 401k for both spouses, HSA, legit business write offs that are documented and do not go to extremes all help, but getting an effective tax rate below 20% for anyone making $250-750k is not easy anymore.

For me, by far the best way to reduce tax liability is by paying a good tax professional to handle my taxes.
This post was edited on 7/25/24 at 9:52 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22516 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 10:49 am to
quote:

Owning a revenue generating business provides greatest quantity and quality of tax mitigation levers


As a small business owner I'd love to hear some strategies you suggest.

Sure my truck, my phone, and my insurance are paid by the business because I use them all for business all day every day as a full time job that's regularly out of the office.

But this idea that a small business owner just gets major tax advantages is somewhat absurd. If you are W-2 employee your employer pays 5-7% of your tax burden, as an example. That's a solid advantage of not working for yourself.
Posted by SwampCollie
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
288 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

As a small business owner I'd love to hear some strategies you suggest.


Full disclosure: Not legal or financial advice. I pay a CPA, you should too. If they can't save what they cost or more they suck or your business isn't a business.

Totally depends on the business. But couple ideas:

- SEP IRA / 401k: much higher contribution limits
- Life expenses: within reason - lunch, golf, outings etc with potential clients, customers or investors.
- Travel: lots of savings and dedutibility to mix vacations into a work trip. "Work" legitimately on Fri & Mon and enjoy wknds in cool places w/ deductions.
- Vehicle: accelerated depretiation on vehicles over certain weight
- Prepurchasing inventory and equipment at end of year.
- Augusta Rule - look it up. I don't do this but some choose to.
- Clothing - heat transfer your company logo on clothing for everyday wear etc.
This post was edited on 7/25/24 at 12:06 pm
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24749 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 12:09 pm to
Is your effective tax rate? If you are W2 employees, there are limited ways of limiting your tax liability.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18604 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

- Life expenses: within reason - lunch, golf, outings etc with potential clients, customers or investors.


I’d be very careful in this area.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36714 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

you're contributing to Roth 401k you could switch to traditional.



At less than 200k of income I believe you have to do the Roth 401k (are not eligible for the Traditional and deduction). The intent there being to prevent upper income people from deferring too much W2 income

The IRA is different. You lose the deduction for the IRA contribution in the 100ks of income but can still contribute to the Traditional. You can not directly contribute to a Roth IRA at that income range but can still do a backdoor Roth conversion provided you don't run afoul of the conversion tax rules (pro rata rules)
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36714 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

529 for kids



This can be a big one Especially if you want to save for college or graduate school anyway

Last time I looked you could do up to five years at a time per child.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
8000 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:15 pm to
Donate to your favorite charities like UNICEF or the DNC.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22516 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:05 pm to
529's are only state tax deductible and it has to be for the state you live in, correct?
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24749 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:07 pm to
529s do zilch for federal income tax savings. Depending on the state, it may help with state income taxes.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14026 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:06 am to
quote:

Life expenses: within reason - lunch, golf, outings etc with potential clients, customers or investors.


Will you please explain to me how you are properly writing off “golf outings, etc., with potential clients, customers or investors” after the 2017 Trump tax cuts? I am most interested in hearing this.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 7:14 am
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