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2 of the 4 Sniper Teams were Local Cops

Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:15 am
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:15 am
According to NYTimes who spoke with the SS spokesman, 2 of the 4 sniper teams were locals.

This is amazing to me. They hire local Cops who only do this stuff on weekends.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
14629 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:16 am to
Makes you wonder how much of this Trump's upper level folks knew about.
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12147 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:16 am to
And someone is compromised. This 20 yr old dungeons and dragons expert didnt pull this off alone
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17993 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:17 am to
Erik Prince stated this. The two guys on the roof, in the news were local law enforcement and aren't the sniper that killed the shooter.

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Hopefully after the tragedy yesterday in Butler PA we can all recognize that unaccountable bloated bureaucracies continue to fail us as Americans.

Donald J Trump is alive today solely due to a bad wind estimate by an evil would be assasin.
As the graphics show the full value wind of just 5mph was enough to displace the unconfirmed but likely light 55 grain bullet two inches from DJT's intended forehead to his ear.
DJT was not saved by USSS brilliance. The fact that USSS allowed a rifle armed shooter within 150yds to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. Clearly there was adequate uncontrolled dead space for a shooter to move into position and take multiple aimed shots. Watching the newsreel one can hear how proximate the shooter is by the very short time lapse between the crack of arriving bullet (supersonic) to the boom of muzzle blast (sonic).

The law enforcement sniper (unclear if USSS) in newsreels was clearly overwhelmed as his face came off his rifle instead of doing his job to kill the shooter. Clearly they were watching the shooter but apparently have a no "first shot" policy. The only positive action was an apparent 488yd shot by one USSS sniper which despatched the assasin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds, wounding DJT and killing and severely others in the crowd.

In my old business of providing Diplomatic Security in two active war zones we were expected to execute the basics or we would be fired. Clearly USSS failed at the basics of a secure perimeter and once shots were fired their extraction was clumsy and left DJT highly exposed to follow on attacks. It looked like they had never drilled together because those responses should be effectively autonomic. Will there be accountability? That's not the Washington way.

Unserious and unworthy people in positions of authority got us to this near disaster. Merit and execution must be the only deciding factors in hiring and leadership, not the social engineering priority of the day. Sadly nothing in Washington reflects that any longer. DJT is right to question the competence of those protecting him because yesterday they failed in almost every way. Nature abhors a vacuum and there are always other options.
Most importantly, as Americans let's come together and run a proper valid election so we can get back to what matters a merit based society that judges on character and skill. Nothing else.



This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 7:21 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:17 am to
Too many parties involved hurts the CT narrative a good bit.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
33906 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:19 am to
It appears the outside perimeter teams dropped the ball and they were all local/state police.

Ironically if they’d just let Trump supporters handle security it would be one of the safest patches of grass on the earth.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
24316 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:22 am to
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It appears the outside perimeter teams dropped the ball and they were all local/state police.


The USSS Advance team is also responsible for understanding threats from airport to venue and all around. The USSS is responsible for not having LOE secure that area and station someone on that roof to begin with...
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2296 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:24 am to
As per TD.com usual, nobody listens to the people who actually know what they're talking about and take the time/effort to try to pass along information.

2-3 days go by and then people post Day 1 stuff as if it's some new revelation.


From 2 days ago...

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As FPOTUS, his detail isn't the same as a sitting POTUS. It was likely augmented by local PD/SWAT and those guys aren't really all that well trained or capable.


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I have worked directly with USSS, in some instances on Presidential details. I know what I'm talking about.

A "full contingent" could mean any number of things. And I didn't say they did not have teams in place, only that it's not necessarily a given.

They *probably* did, but it's almost a certainty they were augmented by local and/or state agencies. Neither you nor I know who had responsibility for that rooftop.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17993 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:24 am to
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Too many parties involved hurts the CT narrative a good bit


Go back under your rock.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32056 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:26 am to
I wouldn’t be surprised to see many rally attendees in (relatively) rural/suburban area armed, ready, and on the lookout going forward. They don’t trust the security detail given it allowed a 20 year old dweeb to easily get into position to take several unobstructed shots at Trump. Thus, they may feel they have to take things into their own hands. I hope it doesn’t happen, but it is not out of the realm of possibility some suspicious dork at a rally gets taken out by an attendee.

Unfortunately, that’s what happens when no one trusts the professionals to do their jobs.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 7:27 am
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28107 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:27 am to
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According to NYTimes who spoke with the SS spokesman, 2 of the 4 sniper teams were locals.

This is amazing to me. They hire local Cops who only do this stuff on weekends.


hell, i'm amazed there are sniper teams on "local cops"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450832 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:28 am to
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Thus, they may feel they have to take things into their own hands. I hope it doesn’t happen, but it is not out of the realm of possibility some suspicious dork at a rally gets taken out by an attendee.

I was going to make a "Altamont Free Concert" reference earlier

The last thing we need is people like this feeling agency for Trump's security

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119807 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:29 am to
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They *probably* did, but it's almost a certainty they were augmented by local and/or state agencies. Neither you nor I know who had responsibility for that rooftop.


But someone did.

And it was two minutes + from the time he is seen crawling on the roof with a gun until he opens fire.

So this is, at the very best, the worst frickup in the history of the Secret Service.
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
13769 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:30 am to
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Too many parties involved hurts the CT narrative a good bit.


The complete opposite. Those snipers were merely props, not allowed to shoot anyone or anything. Actually fewer people to let in on the plan.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
39557 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:30 am to
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Too many parties involved hurts the CT narrative a good bit.


Actually it helps it a good bit
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450832 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:31 am to
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Those snipers were merely props, not allowed to shoot anyone or anything. Actually fewer people to let in on the plan.

You just contradicted yourself
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119807 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:32 am to
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Actually it helps it a good bit


No. It doesn’t.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450832 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:33 am to
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So this is, at the very best, the worst frickup in the history of the Secret Service.

At least in the last 40 years, possibly 60. The SS fricked up bigly in Dallas when JFK died. You can argue they were less well-trained, though.

They were all hungover/drunk from the night before
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
13879 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:34 am to
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someone is compromised. This 20 yr old dungeons and dragons expert didnt pull this off alone


That’s the scariest part. He didn’t have help.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
39557 posts
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:34 am to
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No. It doesn’t.


Yes it does. I just said so
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