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Started jiu-jitsu training Monday, today my lower back feels better than it has in years
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:08 pm
My son started jiu-jitsu a couple months ago. The coaches have been encouraging me to try it out. You can do it free for a week. So Monday and Tuesday I gave it a shot.
Firstly, Monday was “no gi” and it was one of the hardest workouts I’ve ever done. I was absolutely wrecked after rolling with a few higher belts who were obviously taking it easy on me. Last night was better (with gi) but different. Still a great workout.
I’ve had low back disc problems for 12 years. Not much helps other than rest, tens unit therapy, etc. I can hardly bend over a lot of days especially after doing anything active. Monday night after training, I was thinking I probably made a huge mistake and thought I wouldn’t be able to stand up straight the next day. Yesterday and today, I have had zero back pain. I feel better than I have in years. I can’t explain it but damn I’m just sort of shocked. Im 45 and never thought I’d get into something like this but I think I’m hooked.
Anyone else have any experience like this?
Firstly, Monday was “no gi” and it was one of the hardest workouts I’ve ever done. I was absolutely wrecked after rolling with a few higher belts who were obviously taking it easy on me. Last night was better (with gi) but different. Still a great workout.
I’ve had low back disc problems for 12 years. Not much helps other than rest, tens unit therapy, etc. I can hardly bend over a lot of days especially after doing anything active. Monday night after training, I was thinking I probably made a huge mistake and thought I wouldn’t be able to stand up straight the next day. Yesterday and today, I have had zero back pain. I feel better than I have in years. I can’t explain it but damn I’m just sort of shocked. Im 45 and never thought I’d get into something like this but I think I’m hooked.
Anyone else have any experience like this?
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:22 pm to VanRIch
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Anyone else have any experience like this?
Not with jiu-jitsu but other things.
My back used to kill me. Then I started powerlifting and all of that went away.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:37 pm to VanRIch
I took up Krav Maga and had the same experience.
I guess the core tightening aspects of these disciplines allow our otherwise tight backs to relax, loosen, and strengthen.
It definitely feels good to feel better.
I guess the core tightening aspects of these disciplines allow our otherwise tight backs to relax, loosen, and strengthen.
It definitely feels good to feel better.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:09 pm to VanRIch
Welcome to the club. I am 52. I am about to make it 20 years training jits. Injuries will come at some point so just warm up good and listen to your body. Also, be cautious who you roll with. Higher belts will take care of you to a degree but you probably aren’t going to learn much from someone with a ton more experience other than they will just coach you through the roll. You will find the learning curve will come with rolling with other White Belts and Blue Belts catching their mistakes and obviously vice versa. Learn from both and don’t get frustrated. But this is where I stress be careful with the young guys. I have said it a ton that there is nothing more dangerous than a 20 something 2 stripe White Belt.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:19 pm to MWP
Yeah I rolled with a couple coaches and they actually taught me things. How to get out of side control, break gi sleeve grips, etc. I rolled with a couple blue belts who were nice but just put it on me yet encouraged me. Professors told me to stick to training with higher belts right now because they understand how not to injure me. I honestly thought I’d be dealing with a lot of egos but I don’t know if it’s this particular dojo or how most are but damn the place is full of genuinely nice people. Everyone seems really welcoming and encouraging. I also really like the format. We drill techniques that the coaches/profs demonstrate for half of class and then roll for the second half.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:09 am to Hondo Blacksheep
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I took up Krav Maga and had the same experience.
How is this? I don’t know much about it.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:50 am to VanRIch
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Anyone else have any experience like this?
not with jiu-jitsu but with yoga and eldoas. Started doing 10 or 15 minutes of youtube yoga every morning and it's made a huge difference. I went from barely being able to touch my toes to being able to put my hands flat on the ground in about a month.
How much does jiu-jitsu usually cost nowadays?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:05 am to Loup
I own a gym in Alexandria and we charge a flat $145 /month. It honestly depends on location.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:49 am to Loup
This one is $165/month with a free gi. Gis are very high quality too. My son can go 4 times a week. I’ll be able to go 5. I probably will do 5 since my class is right after his and on Wednesday nights when he doesn’t have class he has a church thing which is almost next door. Not sure if they offer a multi member discount. We can also train at other of their gyms but we likely won’t since my son is really bonding with his profs/coaches.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 7:52 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:56 am to VanRIch
I did the same thing. Son was taking classes and I started a few months later. After ~ 5 months I'm taking a break right now as I have a new job and it's taking up all my time and I can't make the lunch classes I would go to. I used to be rather fit (although that no longer applies). I had done triathlons and trained pretty hard. None of that training came close to how wiped out I get after a class with a lot of live training.
Higher belts for the most part are going to destroy you any time they want, but less chance to get hurt. Other beginners are using a lot more force to get where they want to go and as a beginner yourself, you find you end up doing the same.
I will say you will get dejected, then see some promise, then get super dejected, then see some promise...
. You will also realize that any random accountant-looking MF'r out there can be an assassin.
In terms of the back, I had problems with nerve pain down my leg. As someone else said, powerlifting with proper form solved it for me. Actually got the advice to keep lifting from a PT. Said just don't ever push it. If you can't have perfect form, don't do it. It worked and haven't had issues since.
BJJ will hurt you eventually though. Knee on belly from a 230 lb man doesn't feel good. Was out 3 weeks with a bruised rib. Had to hug a pillow to cough for 2 weeks.
Higher belts for the most part are going to destroy you any time they want, but less chance to get hurt. Other beginners are using a lot more force to get where they want to go and as a beginner yourself, you find you end up doing the same.
I will say you will get dejected, then see some promise, then get super dejected, then see some promise...
. You will also realize that any random accountant-looking MF'r out there can be an assassin. In terms of the back, I had problems with nerve pain down my leg. As someone else said, powerlifting with proper form solved it for me. Actually got the advice to keep lifting from a PT. Said just don't ever push it. If you can't have perfect form, don't do it. It worked and haven't had issues since.
BJJ will hurt you eventually though. Knee on belly from a 230 lb man doesn't feel good. Was out 3 weeks with a bruised rib. Had to hug a pillow to cough for 2 weeks.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:21 am to VanRIch
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I’ve had low back disc problems for 12 years. Not much helps other than rest, tens unit therapy, etc. I can hardly bend over a lot of days especially after doing anything active.
I honestly believe that limiting movement with any long term injury, especially the back, is a horrible idea.
I had a lower back issue about five years ago and immediately focused on certain lifts and exercises targeting spinal mobility and stabilization. All symptoms quickly resolved and I haven’t had an issue since.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:40 am to Aubie Spr96
It's awesome, and very practical.
KM is strictly self-defense and physical training, not a martial art, so no belts or stages of elevation or anything like that.
As I'm sure you know, KM comes from Israel, and a fair translation is 'close combat,' and it's basically a practice for recognizing and avoiding street crimes and terrorism.
Oh, and you'll lift kettle balls until you have abs like you had in college.
It's popular where I live, you practically have to beg to get in a class.
KM is strictly self-defense and physical training, not a martial art, so no belts or stages of elevation or anything like that.
As I'm sure you know, KM comes from Israel, and a fair translation is 'close combat,' and it's basically a practice for recognizing and avoiding street crimes and terrorism.
Oh, and you'll lift kettle balls until you have abs like you had in college.
It's popular where I live, you practically have to beg to get in a class.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:10 am to VanRIch
Haven’t felt that yet but I’m also strength training 3-4 times a week plus 2-4 times jiu jitsu
Im Just a purple belt trying to put my time in for brown then black
Im Just a purple belt trying to put my time in for brown then black
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:13 am to MWP
Good god yes
Or the wrestler or judo black belt with ten plus years of previous grappling training
The judo black belt who also is almost a brown belt totally smashed me the other night.
I haven’t been able to train consistently this year, I’ve either been injured or sick
Or the wrestler or judo black belt with ten plus years of previous grappling training
The judo black belt who also is almost a brown belt totally smashed me the other night.
I haven’t been able to train consistently this year, I’ve either been injured or sick
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:36 pm to VanRIch
Sounds like you and your son have joined a really good school. That goes a long way in keeping people interested in showing up for class. You can almost break down a BJJ gym into one that leans toward MMA with multiple fighting styles under 1 roof that focuses on fighting or one that is all BJJ and leans toward building a team with a family philosophy. As you are probably figuring out, BJJ is a marathon, not a sprint. We don’t hand out belts and it takes mat time to get proficient and having a school that makes you feel like family helps tremendously in that regard.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:52 pm to VanRIch
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Yesterday and today, I have had zero back pain
Brown belt here.
My back didn’t hurt till I started playing butterfly. It’s my game but has done a number on my hips and lower back lol
Welcome to the club. A solid gym culture builds bonds I’ve only experienced in the military. It’s dope as hell.
If you’re ever in Mandeville, swing on by Vida jiujitsu. We’d be glad to have you.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 11:15 am to VanRIch
quote:What has been the nature of your lower back pain - muscular or spinal? For the latter, I would not agree with the approach you are laying out here.
Started jiu-jitsu training Monday, today my lower back feels better than it has in years
I agree with the general sentiment of using what you have instead of always gingerly staying off of it. 100%.
However, engaging in real grappling, realistically, is probably going to lead to actual injuries over time - with a good chance of neck/back being the injured body part.
This is actually why I have resisted going for BJJ. I want to do it so bad, but it just seems absolutely certain to exacerbate the nagging things I have going on in my body,.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:59 pm to VanRIch
First, good for you getting out there and trying it! While I'm not a doctor, I have worked in healthcare for over 40 years and FYI have trained in Krav Maga for 9 years. My $.02:
Back pain can basically be a function of muscular and/or spinal issues. If there are "structural" issues like degenerative changes in the spine (Spinal Stenosis), not much you can do other than avoid movements that irritate the nerve, steroid injections or eventually back surgery.
If it's more muscular in nature, some weight loss, improving your posture at your desk (get a standing desk) core strengthening, can help a lot. Most men skip core strengthening. Believe it or not, Yoga would be your best exercise, but we don't like Yoga! (I've tried it and just boring to me).
Great you felt better! We do a lot of aerobic warmups, stretching, things like planks etc. Getting out and exercising can make a world of difference. I've lost 15lbs over the years.
Krav Maga has ground techniques that are jiu-jitsu based, but it also focuses on boxing and self-defense techniques as well. I will say this...The injuries I've had over the years came more from rolling than striking (other than some bloody noses from sparring sessions). I hate groundwork and always worry about getting something broken or torn. Particularly wrists or elbows when you do joint locks, arm bars etc. And I always dread working out with newer students to a degree because they're usually undisciplined and trying to prove themselves, and that can lead to injury.
I have "degenerative disk disease" and while what I'm doing might not make sense to others. For me, at age 68, I feel each class later on, particularly groundwork where we do break falls, and start to wonder if I should continue on or not. We'll all reach that point one day. But I do feel good doing it and feel like having some self-defense skills is essential in today's society.
Not trying to scare you away from something you might love, just realize the risk of injury is there.
Back pain can basically be a function of muscular and/or spinal issues. If there are "structural" issues like degenerative changes in the spine (Spinal Stenosis), not much you can do other than avoid movements that irritate the nerve, steroid injections or eventually back surgery.
If it's more muscular in nature, some weight loss, improving your posture at your desk (get a standing desk) core strengthening, can help a lot. Most men skip core strengthening. Believe it or not, Yoga would be your best exercise, but we don't like Yoga! (I've tried it and just boring to me).
Great you felt better! We do a lot of aerobic warmups, stretching, things like planks etc. Getting out and exercising can make a world of difference. I've lost 15lbs over the years.
Krav Maga has ground techniques that are jiu-jitsu based, but it also focuses on boxing and self-defense techniques as well. I will say this...The injuries I've had over the years came more from rolling than striking (other than some bloody noses from sparring sessions). I hate groundwork and always worry about getting something broken or torn. Particularly wrists or elbows when you do joint locks, arm bars etc. And I always dread working out with newer students to a degree because they're usually undisciplined and trying to prove themselves, and that can lead to injury.
I have "degenerative disk disease" and while what I'm doing might not make sense to others. For me, at age 68, I feel each class later on, particularly groundwork where we do break falls, and start to wonder if I should continue on or not. We'll all reach that point one day. But I do feel good doing it and feel like having some self-defense skills is essential in today's society.
Not trying to scare you away from something you might love, just realize the risk of injury is there.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:33 am to VanRIch
Started Jiu Jitsu about a year ago at 39. My son started then as well and he just turned 8. I'm nursing a shoulder injury at the moment from an intense round with a purple belt. Sprained AC joint. I just finished a month off and last night was my first night back. It was like i had never done bjj before. lol.
Are you at JM? Solid school. I did the AGF tournament in BR in April and got destroyed! lol. 3 silvers and a bronze. Definitely helped me learn what i needed to work on.
Are you at JM? Solid school. I did the AGF tournament in BR in April and got destroyed! lol. 3 silvers and a bronze. Definitely helped me learn what i needed to work on.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:38 am to FishinTygah84
Even if I take a week off, I need 2-3 weeks to get back to where I was.
My last training session one of my fellow purple belts who is closer to Brown belt level and has a judo black belt definitely got the better of me
My last training session one of my fellow purple belts who is closer to Brown belt level and has a judo black belt definitely got the better of me
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 1:29 pm
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