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The Ukraine/Russia War. Something doesn’t make sense to me, particularly about money

Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted by TiptonInSC
Aiken, SC
Member since Dec 2012
21031 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:15 pm
Have we ever had another world “leader” come to our country and our “leaders” roll out the red carpet for them knowing they will ask for money the way Volodymyr Zelenskyy has? Not only does he ask, our people in charge gladly give it to him.

Doesn’t it all seem kind of odd that we are giving money to, even in the beginning to me, something that is a losing effort?
Posted by PrezCock
Florida
Member since Sep 2019
857 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:20 pm to
Doesn't seem odd at all once you realize the whole foreign aid business is a scam to steal taxpayer's wealth. Whether it's direct cash payments or military aid, our corrupt politicians are getting their kickbacks.
Posted by Mr Sid
Member since Nov 2009
478 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:23 pm to
Because it’s called money laundering for the communist democrats & uniparty
Posted by Amblin
Member since Sep 2011
3007 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:35 pm to
We don't give the cash, the government gives them hardware we built and pay the companies that are in with the Politicians who then get the kickbacks from those said companies. It is a shift of money from your paycheck to these crooks.
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
5772 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:41 pm to
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Have we ever had another world “leader” come to our country and our “leaders” roll out the red carpet for them knowing they will ask for money the way Volodymyr Zelenskyy has? Not only does he ask, our people in charge gladly give it to him.
You mean besides Israel?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

We don't give the cash, the government gives them hardware we built and pay the companies that are in with the Politicians who then get the kickbacks from those said companies. It is a shift of money from your paycheck to these crooks.


This but Ukraine does get a large amount of cash to pay salaries, death benefits and to keep their country running. It’s insane that we are doing this.
Posted by RockoRou
SW Miss
Member since Mar 2015
935 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:44 pm to
Biggest SCAM after Covid, Ukraine is getting "Billions" of our taxpayer dollars with ZERO accountability. Zelenski, Biden, Obama, Soros, and many other crooks, are lining their pockets with OUR money. It may never end.
Posted by FLTech
Member since Sep 2017
24783 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:46 pm to
This entire thing is a scam. I think Lyndsey graham was drunk one night and did an interview on fox and spilled the beans

Basically in a nutshell… Ukraine as $12 TRILLION worth of minerals in their ground.

Putin thinks it’s his (and it actually kid of is his) and he wants it back and America is trying to steal it.

It’s the ONLY reason for this war.
Posted by WB Davis
Member since May 2018
2327 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

Doesn’t it all seem kind of odd that we are giving money to, even in the beginning to me, something that is a losing effort?
Glad Lafayette didn't think like you

Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26165 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Have we ever had another world “leader” come to our country and our “leaders” roll out the red carpet for them knowing they will ask for money the way Volodymyr Zelenskyy has?


Ever heard of Winston Churchill and FDR?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13769 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 2:50 pm to
Have you even bothered to check where the money is spent?

1. Weapons sent there are over priced by DOD and retired long ago, even the Patriot systems aren't close to latest upgrades. Early 1990's as the newest. They've all be replaced at least once.
2. Cluster munitions were supposed to be all disposed of last year and this one after an Obama EO. That actually costs us money to do.
3. 2/3 of the money "sent to Ukraine" is actually being used to rebuild defense capabilities here when Clinton then Obama gutted the industry. We used what was on the shelf in Iraq and Afghanistan, then found the cupboard to be bare
4. Some money is used to prop up Ukraine's economy.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51887 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

Have we ever had another world “leader” come to our country and our “leaders” roll out the red carpet for them knowing they will ask for money the way Volodymyr Zelenskyy has? Not only does he ask, our people in charge gladly give it to him.

That’s not at all how all of this happened. The CIA was already working with Zelenski long before Russia invaded. Every step by Zelenski has been done at the behest of the CIA.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 2:53 pm to
Pelosi is super rich due to insider trading. All of this makes her richer. Of course she rolls out the red carpet for idiots like Zelensky.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:25 pm to
they don't really give any money. maybe like 3% in actual cash on hand but in general its just money the government owes to the defense contractors. aid to Ukraine is a misnomer, don't know why they don't just say weapons contract fulfillment.

congress is making big bucks from lobbyists. they're giving our tax dollars to Raytheon, General Dynamics and Boeing. in return, they get our tax dollars for passing "aid" bills from these companies. Zelensky is just a prop used to enrich the DC elites.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9542 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:34 pm to

Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20521 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:37 pm to
It is all a money laundering scheme. For POS politicians on both sides if the aisle.



Hell that bastards wife was in Europe again a week or two ago and spent over $3M shopping. No one's says shite.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18646 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:47 pm to
citizen,

Once again a bunch of hogwash, an example "Patriot missile systems from the early 90s".

quote:

The new Patriot system — the second that the United States has sent to Ukraine — will come from Poland, where it has been protecting a rotational force of American troops who will be returning to the United States, officials said.


Do you actually believe we are protecting our troops with obsolete Patriot systems....seriously?

Thils ends the day Trump calls Zelensky and says you are on your own, and hopefully siezes his villas throughout the world.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 4:04 pm
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
5520 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

It may never end.


If we start joining or forming militias it would eventually end.

Picking off a few commies would be exhilarating.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13769 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 5:38 pm to
quote:

Do you actually believe we are protecting our troops with obsolete Patriot systems....seriously?


Not obsolete, just not the newest hardware. Numerous software upgrades from when it was made to shoot down only planes. We don't send our latest greatest to even partners which we didn't allow to be sent to Ukraine. Ukrainians have actually manned these with sho nuff physicists and Ukraine had the largest concentration of them when part of the USSR. They have made their own tweeks to get them to do things we hadn't done yet. Our 1980s equipment is more advanced than Russia's 2020's equipment especially where radar and advanced optics are concerned.

We have thousands of armaments stored in the desert in CA near NV. We have thousands that we have stored in caves in Europe cheaper than shipping them to the USA.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13769 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 5:40 pm to
I get my new Bugatti Tourbillon next week for my service. They even spelled everything correctly in Paris in English for my receipt

Too bad the first won't be made until 2026
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