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Have a Toyota Tundra? Dealers likely won't take it for a trade-in due to engine failures
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:31 am
They are all under a huge recall, but Toyota doesn't actually have a fix yet. They have ramped up hiring at the engine plant in Huntsville, Alabama - presumably to build enough engine inventory to replace all of them.
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Related news....Toyota's failure is Alabama's gain, since they'll be sourcing the replacement engine/engine parts from Huntsville.
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Dealers Are Refusing Toyota Tundra Trade-Ins Over Twin-Turbo V6 Recall
We finally know why Toyota’s twin-turbo V6s are self-destructing: There’s machining debris from the manufacturing process stuck inside. These tiny bits of shrapnel force main bearing failures, which can lead to engine knock and, eventually, total shutdowns. The news broke nearly two weeks ago when Toyota issued a recall for 2022-2023 Tundras and Lexus LX600s, and now, dealers are refusing to take those trucks as trade-ins due to the recall.
The trend was first spotted by Pickup Truck and SUV Talk, who spoke directly with a handful of Tundra owners. One tried swapping their truck for a 2024 GMC Sierra AT4X but was told no by Castle Automotive Group in McHenry, Illinois. A Tundras.com forum user was denied when trying to trade for an older 2020 Land Cruiser, simply because dealerships don’t want to sit on the trucks while Toyota issues an official fix. There’s no timeline for that yet, but some speculate it could be a total long-block replacement.
Truthfully, that might be the preferred solution for Toyota dealers, even if it takes a while. Some owners who have already made warranty claims for failed V6s had their engines largely disassembled, resulting in a serious headache for technicians. Photos and videos of the process show hundreds of components sprawled across mechanics’ workspaces, taking serious time and effort to repair, not to mention storage.
It’s important to note that 2024 model-year Tundras aren’t part of the recall as it seems the machining debris isn’t an issue on those trucks. Curiously, 2022-2023 Tundras with the iForce Max hybrid powertrain aren’t included either. There’s growing concern that the older, electrified models will be added in time, though Toyota hasn’t given any official indication that will be the case.
This leaves Tundra and LX600 owners waiting for Toyota to release the recall fix, hoping their engines don’t grenade themselves in the meantime. It’s understandable why dealers don’t want those trade-ins; however, it’s unfair that customers are forcibly stuck with a truck that has epic failure potential.
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Related news....Toyota's failure is Alabama's gain, since they'll be sourcing the replacement engine/engine parts from Huntsville.
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Toyota Alabama to expand production, increase jobs in Huntsville
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ov. Kay Ivey announced this week that Toyota is expanding the production capabilities at its Huntsville engine factory with a $282 million investment project.
The project aims to launch several expansions of the company within the city, all while creating more than 350 jobs and grow their investment into Alabama to more than $1.7 billion.
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:32 am to member12
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Dealers likely won't take it for a trade-in due to engine failures
Car salesmen - always working an angle
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 8:36 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:32 am to member12
Toyotas are junk.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 8:33 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:34 am to member12
Got to get the V8.
I drive a 2007 Tundra with the 5.7 V8. >17 years and no issues.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:34 am to member12
In most states they can't legally sell a vehicle that's under a safety recall until it's been repaired. And Toyota hasn't shared how to fix all of those recalled trucks yet. It's likely they'll need a lot of parts that may not be readily available. So dealers taking a trade in will have to sit on these used Tundra pickups for months before they can sell them.
And there are a lot of angry Tundra owners that want out apparently. They have a lot of problems - not just with the engine either. So there are a lot of folks trying to trade these new lemons for Fords, GMCs, Chevys, or even older V8 versions of the Tundra.
And there are a lot of angry Tundra owners that want out apparently. They have a lot of problems - not just with the engine either. So there are a lot of folks trying to trade these new lemons for Fords, GMCs, Chevys, or even older V8 versions of the Tundra.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 8:37 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:39 am to dewster
Also related. My Toyota had some minor bodywork to get done this week, and they gave me a Nissan to rent.
That Nissan is a complete piece of shite. The Toyota is way, way better.
That Nissan is a complete piece of shite. The Toyota is way, way better.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:39 am to TheHarahanian
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I drive a 2007 Tundra with the 5.7 V8. >17 years and no issues.
I bought one of these 3 years ago from a local fireman. Had 84,000 miles on it when I bought it. Only thing I have had to do besides oil changes was new tires and replace the brakes.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:42 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Toyotas are junk.
Truth...My 21 year old Land Cruiser (4.7 V8) only has 230,000 miles on it and I have to change the oil every 7500 miles and rotate the tires every 5000. My 20 year old 4Runner (4.7 V8) is the same way (only it has 260,000 on it). This maintenance I have to do is crazy.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:44 am to member12
This is a masters level class in how to get a class action lawsuit brought against you if they don’t resolve it quickly.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:45 am to member12
I’ll never get rid of my ‘21 Tundra V8 limited
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:47 am to billjamin
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class action lawsuit
I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. Maybe it is already in the works?
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:48 am to TheHarahanian
I ahve a V8 Tundra and that thing is like a tank. You couldn't kill it if you tried.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:50 am to member12
I wish Ford would recall these sorry assed 5.0's like in my F150 that everyone that owns one knows they stall. Dealer wants 4K to replace cam phasers, timing chain, and solenoids.
Don't buy a Ford F150 with a 5.0. I did, to avoid issues with their ecoboost engines, and have had nothing but problems with the 5.0.
Don't buy a Ford F150 with a 5.0. I did, to avoid issues with their ecoboost engines, and have had nothing but problems with the 5.0.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:51 am to billjamin
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This is a masters level class in how to get a class action lawsuit brought against you if they don’t resolve it quickly.
Maybe. I've been eyeing the new Tundras because I sort of wanted one even though I haven't yet made friends with the styling yet. I even went to test drive one last week but found that all of the non-hybrid models were moved from the dealer lot.
I like to think they are working through the problems with their pandemic-era design failures. They are Toyota, after all. But these new Tundra and Sequioa designs have been out for a couple of years now. They keep having very well documented, very widespread issues. So I'm not going to rush into buying one. If I need to upsize from the 4Runner, I'll either wait for them to redesign the Tundra or I'll buy a GMC.
Toyota has never been known for the best build/finish quality or the best, most modern vehicle designs. But normally we overlook some of those flaws because we knew they were super-reliable. Knowing that these new ones aren't very reliable and can grenade at any minute makes some of the really poor design and build quality problems a deal breaker. I have a 2021 Toyota and I absolutely will not trade it in for a newer one until they fix these issues and completely change the designs.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:52 am to Harlan County USA
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I wish Ford would recall these sorry assed 5.0's like in my F150 that everyone that owns one knows they stall. Dealer wants 4K to replace cam phasers, timing chain, and solenoids.
Quadruple that and you still wouldn't come close to how much Toyota is spending to rebuild one twin turbo V6 engine.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:53 am to member12
Toyota should have to take the trucks back and pay owners what the fair market value would be without the engine issue if the owners want to get out.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:54 am to member12
Da OT don't like anything bad 'bout Toyota.
DVs incoming.
DVs incoming.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:56 am to dewster
I don’t think it’s a design issue. It’s a process problem with cleaning the engine block after machining. Similar the what navistar had with sand in the 6.0 blocks years ago but this time it’s metal slag.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:56 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Toyotas are junk
frick trump
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:57 am to member12
My colleague has a newer turbo V6 Tundra. He traded a 10 or 12 year old Tacoma for it. He's had the new one for about a year and lately has been complaining constantly about all the problems it has. But none of the things he's complained about were the engine.
Just reporting more anecdotal evidence that the rest of the truck apparently suck too. Not just the engine.
Just reporting more anecdotal evidence that the rest of the truck apparently suck too. Not just the engine.
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