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Hunter Biden Trial and Joe dropping out
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:47 am
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:47 am
Let's say Hunter is convicted and sent to jail. Can Joe pardon him for the gun conviction AND give him a blanket pardon for all the future financial crime indictments, including FARA violations, influence peddling, and tax fraud?
James Comer has said that this is an investigation into Joe Biden, not Hunter. Hunter leads to Joe, and if you stop the investigation into Hunter, you effectively block the investigation into Joe.
That would be politically bad for Joe, for obvious reasons, but if he's planning on dropping out, anyway, he could turn it to his advantage. He can get in front of the cameras and curse the Republicans for using his son to get at him.
He will tell us he is dropping out of the race because he loves his son Hunter, who is a decorated combat veteran who barely survived a cannibal attack in Afghanistan. For real. Those evil Republicans will stop at nothing to get their political opposition...
Segue into a new candidate for President for the Democrats. Two problems solved. Joe has an excuse to drop out, and the entire corrupt deep state can breathe easier because a corruption investigation has been shut down.
James Comer has said that this is an investigation into Joe Biden, not Hunter. Hunter leads to Joe, and if you stop the investigation into Hunter, you effectively block the investigation into Joe.
That would be politically bad for Joe, for obvious reasons, but if he's planning on dropping out, anyway, he could turn it to his advantage. He can get in front of the cameras and curse the Republicans for using his son to get at him.
He will tell us he is dropping out of the race because he loves his son Hunter, who is a decorated combat veteran who barely survived a cannibal attack in Afghanistan. For real. Those evil Republicans will stop at nothing to get their political opposition...
Segue into a new candidate for President for the Democrats. Two problems solved. Joe has an excuse to drop out, and the entire corrupt deep state can breathe easier because a corruption investigation has been shut down.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 6:48 am
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:48 am to Jax-Tiger
Joe isn’t dropping out. Please stop
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:57 am to Hamma1122
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Joe isn’t dropping out. Please stop
I don't think he'll have much choice...
He had a Juneteenth PR event at the WH yesterday and they showed a video of everyone dancing to the music and clapping. Joe was standing their frozen. Not moving a muscle, with his hands held out in an unnatural position.
If he stays in, they are not going to allow him to do any live campaign events. They will have to put every thing on video and use AI to make him look and sound better.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:06 am to Jax-Tiger
Why would the investigation stop? I don’t just want him out of office, I want him in prison for selling out his country. I want him punished for treason
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:07 am to Jax-Tiger
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Can Joe pardon him for the gun conviction AND give him a blanket pardon for all the future financial crime indictments, including FARA violations, influence peddling, and tax fraud?
Yes and no, in that order. Pardons work only on convictions, not charges. In other words, Joe could pardon Hunter from the federal charges once he's been convicted of them but not before (thus tax fraud, FARA, etc could not be pardoned until they become convictions).
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:11 am to Jax-Tiger
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I don't think he'll have much choice...
I don't know man. Our local paper, Lake Charles American Press had a front-page story about the Hunter trial going to the jury.
I read the story and not one mention to the laptop being confirmed by the FBI on the stand. I realize the locals are getting the news feeds from the AP, but not 1 mention of the corruption and the connection to *biden in the story. LOL
Imagine if it were Don Jr's or Eric's laptop connecting any suspicious activities to DJT.
*biden is still protected. As ridiculous as that seems, crickets about the laptop.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:12 am to Jax-Tiger
quote:Sounds a lot like 2020 where he campaigned in his basement. He's debating Trump twice though
If he stays in, they are not going to allow him to do any live campaign events
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:13 am to Hamma1122
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Joe isn’t dropping out. Please stop
You're gonna be a fun one to watch. Please don't go anywhere between now and January.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:16 am to Hamma1122
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Joe isn’t dropping out.
I think this is right. The democrats aren't one united group, they are factions, and the Biden faction has shown they are willing to ride things out to the very end. Couple that with the fact the party doesn't have a super good alternative to push him in in favor of, and so they're not pushing that hard for him to drop out.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:17 am to Bard
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Yes and no, in that order. Pardons work only on convictions, not charges. In other words, Joe could pardon Hunter from the federal charges once he's been convicted of them but not before (thus tax fraud, FARA, etc could not be pardoned until they become convictions).
Have courts ever actually addressed this or is it just law school hypotheticals?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:13 am to Bard
quote:what were the crimes for which this man was convicted prior to being pardoned?
Yes and no, in that order. Pardons work only on convictions, not charges.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:21 am to Jax-Tiger
It is not a coincidence that both trials are prior to November. If convicted, Joe can pardon him before leaving office. They go away quietly to enjoy all of the money they made off the backs of Americans. It is forgotten at that point because we'll have a new TikTok video to talk about.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:37 am to Hamma1122
The only way Joe doesn't drop out, gets forced out, etc is that they think they are close enough to pull off the cheating and get him re-elected. Then shortly after in that first year or so, he steps down and we have Kamala. She is controlled just like Joe is and will do whatever.
I remember when the media bashed Reagan for being too old and beginning stages of dementia in 1984. You look at Reagan even at the end of 1988 and he looked like he was 50 compared to Joe in how he spoke and handled himself.
I remember when the media bashed Reagan for being too old and beginning stages of dementia in 1984. You look at Reagan even at the end of 1988 and he looked like he was 50 compared to Joe in how he spoke and handled himself.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:38 am to shinerfan
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Have courts ever actually addressed this or is it just law school hypotheticals?
Hunter's original plea bargain had a clause in it that would given him immunity from all other charges stemming from the investigation.
I am just wondering if Biden's pardon powers allow him to grant the same kind of leeway.
The media would eat it up. Joe is such a loving father that he sacrificed the presidency in order to save his son from being unfairly persecuted by those mean Republicans.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:40 am to Jax-Tiger
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unfairly persecuted by those mean Republicans.
I'm not sure I've seen anyone on the left claim he was unfairly persecuted. Most of us believe if he committed a crime then he should be tried and convicted and won't lose a bit of sleep over it.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:43 am to Bard
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Pardons work only on convictions, not charges. In other words, Joe could pardon Hunter from the federal charges once he's been convicted of them but not before (thus tax fraud, FARA, etc could not be pardoned until they become convictions).
Tricky Dick enters the chat
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:44 am to FoTownBam
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Why would the investigation stop?
The way to Joe is through Hunter. If Joe is able to pardon Hunter, then the pressure of the Democrats, the media, AND the Republicans is going to be to drop the investigation into Hunter and move on.
Do you think Mitch McConnell wants a corruption investigation? I can't think of many in DC that I'm convinced are corrupt or bought and paid for. Big party donors, Republican, Democrat, and Chinese, have worked hard to cultivate those assets. They don't want to see them resign or go to jail. This window is pretty narrow, and closing fast.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:58 am to Leto II
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Most of us believe if he committed a crime then he should be tried and convicted and won't lose a bit of sleep over it.
There is two narratives. Biden will claim they are prosecuting Hunter because they can't prosecute him.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:05 am to Speckhunter2012
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*biden is still protected. As ridiculous as that seems, crickets about the laptop.
I don't believe Biden will drop out because of the laptop. I believe the real reason that he will be forced to drop out is that people view him as old and feeble (he is) and he cannot win.
He can't come out and say, "I'm old and feeble so I'm stepping away", so pardoning his only son, who died of cancer because he drove an 18 wheeler in Ukraine, will pull at people's heart strings and allow Joe to step aside without blaming the obvious - that he's old, feeble, and feckless. He'll actually garner some sympathy, even if it is media generated nonsense.
The Democrats need someone to beat Donald Trump, or he could start pulling on that thread and expose corruption in DC. That would mean that everyone would have to lie low for at least a little while.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:15 am to Jax-Tiger
Already said the same. They can’t afford to allow Hunter get anywhere near jail; otherwise, he will roll over the rest of the family quickly.
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