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Diet Soda beats water for Fat Loss- new 52 week study

Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:24 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:24 am
Well i feel like pissing some people off today so figured would drop a couple new studies that have come out


First one tested if diet soda slowed fat loss....shocker it doesnt....but the shocker was people using diet soda lost more than those drinking only water. This was a 52 week study. SO TELL ME AGAIN HOW A ZERO CALORIE ENERGY DRINK IS KILLING ME AGAIN PLEASE??

Oh and dont bring up cancer, shite has been disproven 100 times over already.


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Artificial sweeteners have a bad rep, but is their notoriety grounded in science? A new year-long study with 262 participants compared consuming at least 2 glasses of water a day VS at least 2 glasses of diet soda a day. All participants were put on a 3-month weight loss program followed by 9 months of weight maintenance. Other than the water vs soda, their programs were identical.

The diet soda group lost significantly more weight. There were no any negative effects on their appetite or their bloodwork, including a wide panel of cardiometabolic health tests.

Worth noting is that the study was funded by the American Beverage Association, but they were not involved with the actual research. Moreover, the study data were audited by a third-party organisation (Biofortis) at the clinical site to validate their accuracy and integrity.

Most prior studies found water and diet sodas have the same effects on fat loss. In this study too, in a small subset of the participants who had DXA scans done, the difference between groups in fat loss was not statistically significant, although the soda group lost 1 kg more fat. While the effect isn't huge, this is not the first study to find an advantage in favor of low-calorie sweeteners.

The mechanism of the greater fat loss in these studies is almost certainly unrelated to any metabolic effects concerning energy expenditure. Rather, sweeteners can promote diet adherence by satisfying your sweet tooth without all the calories that otherwise often come with this. If sweeteners help you lose fat, which is incredibly healthy, they may even be net healthy for you.



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discuss please
Posted by BillyGibbons
St. Somewhere
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:36 am to
My knee jerk reaction is that it’s probably at least somewhat attributable to the stimulant affect of the caffeine…

For me artificial sweeteners induce heart palpitations so I stay away from them at all costs.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 11:38 am
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:40 am to
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My knee jerk reaction is that it’s probably at least somewhat attributable to the stimulant affect of the caffeine…


See I was going to guess less binging because you're still getting your sweet soda and don't feel tortured only drinking water. If you're used to it, switching to water only may make you crave sweets and you fall off your diet more easily. Or at least that's my assumption of why the diet soda group lost more.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:44 am to
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See I was going to guess less binging because you're still getting your sweet soda and don't feel tortured only drinking water. If you're used to it, switching to water only may make you crave sweets and you fall off your diet more easily. Or at least that's my assumption of why the diet soda group lost more.


this is the correct answer. been multiple studies now showing diet soda beats water and its because it tends to solve the "sweat tooth" issue and tends to make people binge less

its not the caffeine though that certainly helps


key take away is its perfectly fine to use diet sodas and non calorie items to help keep you satisfied and a perfectly fine strategy and as a community we should stop vilifying it like its some kind of poison when its anything but.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:46 am to
question is....should i post this on the OT to stir up a hornets nest? or does someone want to do it
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:04 pm to
just to point out too

artificial sweetners do not impair insulin resistance

LINK
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
4535 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:16 pm to
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All participants were put on a 3-month weight loss program followed by 9 months of weight maintenance. Other than the water vs soda, their programs were identical


Saying the program is identical sounds like saying the diets were identical, other than the water vs soda.

But of course that would require some real explanation.
So we get this:
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Rather, sweeteners can promote diet adherence by satisfying your sweet tooth without all the calories that otherwise often come with this.


So now it makes sense. The diet soda people were more compliant with the diet in general and so lost more fat.

What a shocker.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

So now it makes sense. The diet soda people were more compliant with the diet in general and so lost more fat.

What a shocker.


correct

nothing magical about diet soda. its not offering any health or metabolism benefits but it is allowing people to stay more complaint over the course of a year.

the point of the post was not to get people to think diet soda is better than water, its not, but it is a very good alternative to help one adhere to a diet in general and can help kill cravings

its just another tool in the tool box rather than the poison people try to make it out to be.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60048 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:22 pm to
Hey man, look at this study on the effectiveness of the pfizer vaccine against COVID. It's "100% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 95.3% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration"!

LINK to press release about study
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
4535 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

the point of the post was not to get people to think diet soda is better than water, its not, but it is a very good alternative to help one adhere to a diet in general and can help kill cravings its just another tool in the tool box rather than the poison people try to make it out to be.


It’s a great point, too.

Could be a real game changer I bet, because people love their diet sodas. Meaning I think it can take away some of the malaise that comes when people even think about dieting.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:24 pm to
quote:


Hey man, look at this study on the effectiveness of the pfizer vaccine against COVID. It's "100% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 95.3% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration"!


is your stupid arse really trying to compare the covid vaccine to diet soda? one thing we had about 1 month of data on and the other we have decades of data on

shut the frick up with this dumb shite

if you have a point or something you can bring to the table that refute the study by all means, but dont post stupid arse pointless shite like that.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
9927 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:38 pm to
I've pretty much lost all faith on 'studies' conducted in United States. Too much frickery goes on with them.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

I've pretty much lost all faith on 'studies' conducted in United States. Too much frickery goes on with them.




yall have gotten fricking stupid

unless it supports your opinion then...hey the study is flawed

jesus fricking christ.

read the damn data, its pretty clear. those that used diet soda, they were much more compliant overall on the diet over the year long study.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60048 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

is your stupid arse really trying to compare the covid vaccine to diet soda? one thing we had about 1 month of data on and the other we have decades of data on

shut the frick up with this dumb shite

if you have a point or something you can bring to the table that refute the study by all means, but dont post stupid arse pointless shite like that.


Damn, man. I didn't realize that this was such serious bidness for you.

That being said, I very skeptical of studies like this that are funded by the very organizations that will benefit from favorable results.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1208 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:47 pm to
I agree with Ron, that study brought to you by Coke. However, common sense tells me that diet soda satisfying a sweet tooth and helping someone adhere to a diet is probably true.

Before this thread turns into a slap fight, I’ve always looked at it as not letting perfect be the enemy of good. Diet sodas, reduced calorie Frankenfood is all better than being a giant fat arse stuffing their face with Oreos. Sure Whole Foods are better, with water only but we have to help get people started

ETA: I do appreciate 777 bringing the studies though.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 12:49 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

I agree with Ron, that study brought to you by Coke


i put that it was paid for by them right in the first post.

doesnt change the results, they had no over sight on the data or the publishing or any part of the study

but its just common sense, adhering to the diet using non caloric measures to help....you will lose more bodyfat

we also know artificial sweeteners don't affect insulin sensitivity so its not going to slow things down in that regard
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60048 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:56 pm to
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they had no over sight on the data or the publishing or any part of the study



Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:59 pm to
this isnt some ground breaking study numbnuts. its just the latest in atleast half a dozen that show this

but as usual, you have no proof and you just have a feeling right?
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Member since Jan 2014
29965 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:01 pm to
Do Diet Coke and Coke Zero make anyone else feel like they have a UTI? Is that just me?
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60048 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:05 pm to
Would you fricking relax, Susan. Why are you taking this so personally?

I'm not trying to prove anything, other than the fact that the study itself is coming out of a huge conflict of interest due to the organization funding it. To state equivocally that they had no oversight or role in publishing the study is laughable at best.

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