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What happens if we can’t find a good enough trade for BI?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:40 am
Do we go into another year with him and try to move him at the trade deadline? We lose a ton of trade value if we do it that way unless he signs a new deal with the trading team. I’m afraid the NBA knows Griff is desperate to trade BI and is going to low ball the frick out of him and he pulls the trigger just to do it where we get back role players and a pick instead of the PG or C we need. One example (on bleacher report so doesn’t hold any value) had BI to the Kings for Harrison Barnes, Kevin Huerter and a 2025 1st. If Griff were to do something like that he should be fired immediately.
Lastly, I’ve often wondered what BI would look like actually playing PG. It keeps the ball in his hands and lets him run the offense like he wants. We all know BI is a solid passer which is the only reason I even bring it up. I doubt it would work and that BI would still just slow down the game by playing iso ball instead of setting up his teammates. Still, if he were to be able to do it you’d have a 6’8” PG with crazy length and it would still give Trey a starting spot at SF with CJ going to the bench.
Lastly, I’ve often wondered what BI would look like actually playing PG. It keeps the ball in his hands and lets him run the offense like he wants. We all know BI is a solid passer which is the only reason I even bring it up. I doubt it would work and that BI would still just slow down the game by playing iso ball instead of setting up his teammates. Still, if he were to be able to do it you’d have a 6’8” PG with crazy length and it would still give Trey a starting spot at SF with CJ going to the bench.
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:48 am to LSUPilot07
The good news is at least 4 teams have interest in him. That’s the ones we know about, remember the Bucks getting Jrue came out nowhere. Competition drives up bidding.
On top of that you seem to have 3 teams in similar situations with pieces each other can use in Cleveland, Atlanta, and New Orleans. It just seems like a fair deal is begging to be made.
On top of that you seem to have 3 teams in similar situations with pieces each other can use in Cleveland, Atlanta, and New Orleans. It just seems like a fair deal is begging to be made.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:57 am to TigerinATL
It seems that way but I saw a repor that the Cavs didn’t want to trade Jarrett Allen because of the chemistry he had with Donovan Mitchell who they are building their team around. BI would be a great fit for them but you couldn’t just trade BI for Garland. You’d have to at least get picks back with it. I think Atlanta wants to trade Young more than Murray and build off their 1st overall pick this year while clearing his $43 million a year contract off their books. I would love a Murray and Okungwu for BI and a 1st but the most obvious deals are rarely the ones that end up
getting made.
getting made.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:05 am to LSUPilot07
That’s called posturing because all of the news that came out of the 2nd round for them, Klutch rattling the cage for Garland and what seems like a Cavs leak about Allen being soft to not play with what turned out to be broken ribs, probably made the initial offers lower than they want.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:16 am to LSUPilot07
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seems that way but I saw a repor that the Cavs didn’t want to trade Jarrett Allen because of the chemistry he had with Donovan Mitchell who they are building their team around. BI would be a great fit for them but you couldn’t just trade BI for Garland. You’d have to at least get picks back with it.
Garland is worth more than Allen. Cavs would have to add to an Allen trade. Garland trade would be at best a swap.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:57 am to LSUPilot07
I'm not sure that Griffin is as desperate to move him as this board is.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:04 am to Jester
If BI stats that keeps Trey on the bench which we can’t do unless CJ goes to the bench and we actually try to play point Zion which BI despises or have BI play PG which I think would be iffy at best.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:05 am to Jester
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I'm not sure that Griffin is as desperate to move him as this board is.
I mean if you’re not going to pay him he should be.
Part of Griffin’s problem during his tenure had been letting guys walk without trading them: Lonzo and JV. If he does that with BI its a failure as a GM.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
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That’s the ones we know about, remember the Bucks getting Jrue came out nowhere. Competition drives up bidding.
Yea - except to date we’ve gotten very little value out of the jrue trade so hopefully there is more competition for Jrue. I personally never liked the jrue trade because the time frame of the return didn’t match the timeframe of competing with a Zion/ingram core.
I assume for any trade of Ingram the pelicans will be looking for immediate value and not future draft capital. That makes getting value for Ingram tough though. Hard to find players ready to contribute in an trade for Ingram.
If that market isn’t there I assume you run it back. As much as I oppose resigning Ingram, I don’t see much point in turning Ingram into a rotational piece.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:46 am to ned nederlander
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If that market isn’t there I assume you run it back. As much as I oppose resigning Ingram, I don’t see much point in turning Ingram into a rotational piece.
If you pay BI and it doesn’t work out you’re in very risky territory. I think you have to trade him. Not trading him is a move that gets you fired because you’ll be rebuilding quickly if it fails.
Everyone needs to let go of this fair trade value thing. NBA trades are almost never fair. In fact they almost exclusively will be unfair. Guaranteed contracts mean that you can’t take a chance on a guy with a big contract. Most trades aren’t like Halliburton for Sabonis where both teams are trying to get better.
Most trades are:
1. Swapping fringe pieces
2. Paying someone to take a contract you don’t want
3. Future assets for disgruntled players.
BI is basically 2. He has value so we won’t have to give up a lot but you aren’t getting fair value for a player that everyone knows you don’t want. We really didn’t get much value out of the Jrue and AD trades and we won’t get much value out of this trade. It’s just the reality. Probably our best bet is to take another player a team wants to get rid of like Trae.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:45 pm to higgsBoson
I just can’t get by Trae Young’s absolutely shocking lack of will to play defense, plus he’s undersized. The guy can hit 3s and score and he’s a good passer also so maybe it evens out. His contract is the big issue to me. $43 mil a year for a star but he’s known to be a handful to deal with and he’s terrible on D.
Pelicans: PG Dejounte Murray, C Onyeka Okongwu
Hawks: SF Brandon Ingram, SG Dereon Seabron (to match salaries), 2024 1st, 2026 pick swap with Milwaukee.
This to me would seem like a win-win for both teams. I’d even give them 2 1sts instead of the pick swap. We would be an undersized team in the paint but athletic and our wings as well as our PG would be long and good defensively. Dejounte Murray and Herb would be the best defensive backcourt in the NBA.
Pelicans: PG Dejounte Murray, C Onyeka Okongwu
Hawks: SF Brandon Ingram, SG Dereon Seabron (to match salaries), 2024 1st, 2026 pick swap with Milwaukee.
This to me would seem like a win-win for both teams. I’d even give them 2 1sts instead of the pick swap. We would be an undersized team in the paint but athletic and our wings as well as our PG would be long and good defensively. Dejounte Murray and Herb would be the best defensive backcourt in the NBA.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:45 pm to LSUPilot07
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One example (on bleacher report so doesn’t hold any value) had BI to the Kings for Harrison Barnes, Kevin Huerter and a 2025 1st. If Griff were to do something like that he should be fired immediately.
As a worst case scenario, I don’t hate a trade like that at all, assuming Barnes is expiring. Getting a versatile semi-big that can shoot, another shooter, and a future 1 from a typically not great team….
Are we a better team next year with BI or a Barnes/Huerter?
The only chance of a star playing alongside Zion is for one of the young core to become one - Trey, Herb, Dyson, Hawk. It’s not out of the realm of imagination by any means.
Pick a likely top 15 pick in a supposed strong draft in ‘25 along with the Lakers possibly top 15 pick and we just keep being solid to great as long as we keep Zion.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:59 pm to LSUPilot07
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I just can’t get by Trae Young’s absolutely shocking lack of will to play defense, plus he’s undersized. The guy can hit 3s and score and he’s a good passer also so maybe it evens out. His contract is the big issue to me. $43 mil a year for a star but he’s known to be a handful to deal with and he’s terrible on D.
They prefer to keep Murray so….
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:02 pm to tibebecolston
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Are we a better team next year with BI or a Barnes/Huerter?
You lose all your creation and get no creators back. I think we’re fine if Zion stays relatively healthy in regular season and playoffs- now the problem is when has that happened??
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:09 pm to higgsBoson
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They prefer to keep Murray so….
Reply0..
Sources? Where you hear this?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:13 pm to LSUPilot07
If they can't trade BI, they need to be prepared to lose him for nothing. Because he'll probably look to go elsewhere knowing that we were aggressively trying to trade him.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:26 pm to LSUPilot07
You can’t put BI at PG. we need a true pg , it why we lose all of our games at the end when defenses clamp down and they turn the ball over. BI, Zion and CJ running point to close out games is not going to cut it.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:52 pm to LSUPilot07
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I’ve often wondered what BI would look like actually playing PG
A 6'8" point guard was the dream of many scouts when BI came into the league. The reality turned into a career of 18 seconds of dribbling before taking long contested 2 point shots.
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What happens if we can’t find a good enough trade for BI
What is a good enough trade?
Ben Simmons and 2 firsts got James Harden after Harden requested a trade. Harden didn't resign in Philly, but the point is that they got alot more value than Simmons and the firsts would have returned in separate deals.
The Pelicans have alot of trade chips to include with Ingram to get a solid return. There will be plenty of available deals that improve the team. If the Pelicans don't make one, it's because they are worried about financial costs, not on court value.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:25 pm to Townedrunkard
BI is a secondary ball handler not a primary. Playing point and out of position impacted his game.
CJ is a SG but Herb plays that position. OkC made CJ the primary playmaker by over playing Ingram. In the regular season the Suns implemented this strategy to trounce the Pels. OKC tried to use this strategy against Luca but Dallas adjusted after the first game. WG was hard headed and we saw thw results.
Z ain't Dray Green. He doesn't have the conditioning, bbiq, outside shooting, passing and dribble to make his teammates better, which is the primary purpise of the position. I believe posters confuse Z's isolation skills as being point guard like. Z is a good iso player.
One skill that Z has is setting screens. He has the ability to be exceptional if he develops a mid range offensive. One of Brandon's best games was when he scored around 40 points. His scoring was largely attribted to Z's screens.
The bottom line is that the team needs a point whether through free agency or Dyson's development.
I would like to see if Herb can play the point. I didn't realize thar he often quarterbacked Bama's offense. Herb being the point would solve lots if issues.
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CJ is a SG but Herb plays that position. OkC made CJ the primary playmaker by over playing Ingram. In the regular season the Suns implemented this strategy to trounce the Pels. OKC tried to use this strategy against Luca but Dallas adjusted after the first game. WG was hard headed and we saw thw results.
Z ain't Dray Green. He doesn't have the conditioning, bbiq, outside shooting, passing and dribble to make his teammates better, which is the primary purpise of the position. I believe posters confuse Z's isolation skills as being point guard like. Z is a good iso player.
One skill that Z has is setting screens. He has the ability to be exceptional if he develops a mid range offensive. One of Brandon's best games was when he scored around 40 points. His scoring was largely attribted to Z's screens.
The bottom line is that the team needs a point whether through free agency or Dyson's development.
I would like to see if Herb can play the point. I didn't realize thar he often quarterbacked Bama's offense. Herb being the point would solve lots if issues.
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:12 pm to ErikGordan
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The bottom line is that the team needs a point whether through free agency or Dyson's development.
I would like to see if Herb can play the point. I didn't realize thar he often quarterbacked Bama's offense. Herb being the point would solve lots if issues.
JMO...Dyson is key to Pels' future. One way or another, gotta find a way to have him AND Herb on the court together. DD wil make Herb much more effective on the defensive end.
On Herb as Bama's "quarterback" on offense...Oats wanted to use Herb as "PG" his Sr year...he was just too raw & undeveloped & couldn't learn on the fly his Sr year since Oats needed to win games & couldn't afford to let Herb constantly commit offensive fouls (which he did) while trying to learn how to play on offense. Had to save all his fouls for the defensive end. Right move...but left Herb with basically no offensive game. That would have to wait until he arrived in the NBA.
Herb will continue to develope offensively and I expect him to be moved out of the corner this coming season. Can still set up there on occasion but he will become a much more versatile offensive player overall assuming the Pels go the direction I think they are going...roster wise. I still have NO idea what Herb's ceiling is...offensively. He's just a really "odd" player.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 7:20 pm
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