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Rings of Power to feature/mutilate Tom Bombadil
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:42 am
yay
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biggest surprise in decades of Middle-earth lore. Instead, the fine folks over at Vanity Fair were given an exclusive first look at the burning question at the forefront of all our minds: Will the bizarre character known as Tom Bombadil, whose boots are yellow and is famously a merry fellow, appear in the streaming show?
The answer to that little riddle is now confirmed to be a resounding yes.
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:48 am to blueboy
looks like Rory Kinnear is playing him. Nothing from the article shows he will be mutilated. In fact we might get the story before he became insane
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:52 am to hirematthouse
Get the story behind him? That’s mutilating it. Tolkien purposely made Tom’s background ambiguous and mysterious. There’s nothing these crop of activist writers @ Amazon can do that can add to or enhance Tolkien’s characters.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:56 am to hirematthouse
quote:It doesn’t exist though, right?
In fact we might get the story before he became insane
Why would you expect the hack writers in Hollywood to do him justice?
Why do you need the backstory anyway?
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:02 am to Scruffy
not necessarily major back story, but it was well assumed and hinted at that Bombadil was around to see much of what happened in the 1st and 2nd age. Doesn't have to be a main character changing whole storylines, but could show how much he protected nature during those ages
Or just yell at clouds because Tolkiens family gave up all creative rights to amazon
side note: i havent watched a single second of rings of power. There's already so much lore and background from Tolkiens essays. Just read a book and ignore the show if yall hate it so much.
Or just yell at clouds because Tolkiens family gave up all creative rights to amazon
side note: i havent watched a single second of rings of power. There's already so much lore and background from Tolkiens essays. Just read a book and ignore the show if yall hate it so much.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 11:04 am
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:11 am to blueboy
This show is 100% pure arse.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:13 am to blueboy
Well they nailed the look.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:48 am to Green Chili Tiger
quote:He looks like Gandalf would have looked if LOTR was a 90's TV show on Fox.
Well they nailed the look.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:56 am to hirematthouse
quote:
In fact we might get the story before he became insane
What? He didn't go insane.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:04 pm to blueboy
If there is a single character in all of Tolkiens writings that shouldn't be touched, it's Tom Bombadil.
I don't know if that's what they are doing, but it would be pretty ridiculous if they give him a background. He's purposefully left mysterious by Tolkien (I have my own thoughts of who I think he is) and if they try and give him a definitive backstory, that imo, would be the most disrespectful thing they will have done to the source.
I don't know if that's what they are doing, but it would be pretty ridiculous if they give him a background. He's purposefully left mysterious by Tolkien (I have my own thoughts of who I think he is) and if they try and give him a definitive backstory, that imo, would be the most disrespectful thing they will have done to the source.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:12 pm to blueboy
and another big dump on Tolkien's world.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:24 pm to hirematthouse
I read the article, and it doesn't seem bad at all. I don't see the fuss, unless it's just to complain for the sake of complaining.
Bombadil has always been an enigma, but he's always also been there in the book.
There are many theories floating around about him.
One I haven't seen specifically, but I think would fit- when Aule makes the Dwarves, this upsets Yavanna, who fears for her creations. The Dwarves would have axes and could cut her trees down. She petitions Manwe about this, who confers to Eru, and thus gets guardian spirits for her stuff.
It's widely assumed the Ents are those spirits, but honestly there's nothing preventing Tom Bombadil from also being one. He is more active and sentient like the Ainur, and seemingly more powerful too. If the Istari are Maiar in lesser form and power, Bombadil could be a Ainur unleashed.
Now, the entire purpose of Arda is the be the home of the Children of Illuvatar (Men and Elves), so they would be granted rule over everything; including Yavanna's creations. Meaning- Bombadil could protect the forests from everything, INCLUDING Morgoth/Sauron, AND the Dwarves, but NOT Men or Elves. He would not have been sent specifically to contest Morgoth/Sauron, but who knows, maybe Eru knew and allowed him the power to contest even them. But he'd have been banned from interfering with the affairs of Elves and Men, as that goes against Eru's greater agenda.
As I recall, the whole making of the Dwarves goes back to before the Lamps, but after the very early conflicts of the Valar with Morgoth; it's written that Morgoth fled into the Void for a period after Tulkas came. That's what calmed things down, and allowed Arda to be made. Everything was 'prepared' but not yet awoken, Yavanna had made plants etc.
If that's when Bombadil entered, he would be the first sentient non-Valar in Middle Earth, thus making him 'first'. He would stay in the forests when the Valar went to Ilmaren and built the Lamps, and know the period when night wasn't fearful. Nothing else was awake then.
When Morgoth re-entered Arda and destroyed the Lamps, that's when night became fearful; and it was long after that when the first Elves awoken (the Valar had already relocated to Valinor).
It's written that both Orome (the Hunter) and Yavanna travelled to Middle Earth many times prior to the Firstborn. Orome was going after Morgoth's monsters, never stated what Yavanna was doing. She could have been meeting with Bombadil, prepping things.
IF you take the angle that Bombadil is a powerful Ainur in line with Yavanna only, that could explain why he never gets involved with Elves or Men. That's not his mission. The Elves could have petitioned him to help fight Sauron, but he'd decline, it's not why he is there. Which would be why in the Council of Elrond later, they do discuss him and ultimately decline to even seek to invite his council= they would already know his answer.
Bombadil has always been an enigma, but he's always also been there in the book.
There are many theories floating around about him.
One I haven't seen specifically, but I think would fit- when Aule makes the Dwarves, this upsets Yavanna, who fears for her creations. The Dwarves would have axes and could cut her trees down. She petitions Manwe about this, who confers to Eru, and thus gets guardian spirits for her stuff.
It's widely assumed the Ents are those spirits, but honestly there's nothing preventing Tom Bombadil from also being one. He is more active and sentient like the Ainur, and seemingly more powerful too. If the Istari are Maiar in lesser form and power, Bombadil could be a Ainur unleashed.
Now, the entire purpose of Arda is the be the home of the Children of Illuvatar (Men and Elves), so they would be granted rule over everything; including Yavanna's creations. Meaning- Bombadil could protect the forests from everything, INCLUDING Morgoth/Sauron, AND the Dwarves, but NOT Men or Elves. He would not have been sent specifically to contest Morgoth/Sauron, but who knows, maybe Eru knew and allowed him the power to contest even them. But he'd have been banned from interfering with the affairs of Elves and Men, as that goes against Eru's greater agenda.
As I recall, the whole making of the Dwarves goes back to before the Lamps, but after the very early conflicts of the Valar with Morgoth; it's written that Morgoth fled into the Void for a period after Tulkas came. That's what calmed things down, and allowed Arda to be made. Everything was 'prepared' but not yet awoken, Yavanna had made plants etc.
If that's when Bombadil entered, he would be the first sentient non-Valar in Middle Earth, thus making him 'first'. He would stay in the forests when the Valar went to Ilmaren and built the Lamps, and know the period when night wasn't fearful. Nothing else was awake then.
When Morgoth re-entered Arda and destroyed the Lamps, that's when night became fearful; and it was long after that when the first Elves awoken (the Valar had already relocated to Valinor).
It's written that both Orome (the Hunter) and Yavanna travelled to Middle Earth many times prior to the Firstborn. Orome was going after Morgoth's monsters, never stated what Yavanna was doing. She could have been meeting with Bombadil, prepping things.
IF you take the angle that Bombadil is a powerful Ainur in line with Yavanna only, that could explain why he never gets involved with Elves or Men. That's not his mission. The Elves could have petitioned him to help fight Sauron, but he'd decline, it's not why he is there. Which would be why in the Council of Elrond later, they do discuss him and ultimately decline to even seek to invite his council= they would already know his answer.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:43 pm to Scoob
If Amazon took that angle, it would still suck.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:48 pm to blueboy
lol Tom Bombadil they will definitely butcher. Goldberry will probably be a fat black woman
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:00 pm to deeprig9
quote:Hard to say, honestly.
If Amazon took that angle, it would still suck.
I wasn't impressed with season 1, and I will be the first to admit that.
But I get the sense a lot of people are saying it's fricked because "Amazon", and that isn't necessarily the case. Sure, Wheel of Time was bad, season 1 of this wasn't good a lot of times. But Amazon has actually put out a lot of good shows- I look at Terminal List, Reacher, Fallout most recently, and other things. Those aren't agenda-driven, they're just good shows.
It's been stated that Jeff Bezos is a Tolkien fan, which is why Amazon ponied up $250 million just for the rights to make this. If that's the case, "the boss" might have watched season 1 and decided to make a few calls:
Hey, this wasn't what I intended. Get your shite together and make it right, and I mean now. Otherwise we're going a different direction.
The Bombadil inclusion actually, to me, seems to indicate that. You fricked up the lore season 1 and you're trying to make good, so you dive a lot deeper- even going as far as tackling a character/storyline PJ never touched. If you want Bombadil and the River Daughter, this is your one chance to see them live. That's not a casual movie fan wanting more hobbits, that's more of a book thing.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:01 pm to Scoob
It may be fun to speculate about Bombadil because he is an enjoyable...but bizarre addition to LOTR. I do think Tolkien left Bombadil purposely ambiguous. I wonder if Tolkien was going for a Hobbit like tone at first and shifted to something darker as he moved the story...but just decided to leave Bombadil in.
If I really had to guess id say Bombadil is a manifestation of Iluvatar(Tolkien)
If I really had to guess id say Bombadil is a manifestation of Iluvatar(Tolkien)
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:29 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
There’s nothing these crop of activist writers @ Amazon can do that can add to or enhance Tolkien’s characters.
Then...don't watch the show, easy answer! We all know this wasn't written by Tolkien, and it has no impact on anything he did.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 2:08 pm to scottydoesntknow
quote:
I do think Tolkien left Bombadil purposely ambiguous. I wonder if Tolkien was going for a Hobbit like tone at first and shifted to something darker as he moved the story...but just decided to leave Bombadil in.
Bombadil was created 20 or so years prior to The Lord of the Rings publication. He was first introduced in a poem called "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil".
quote:
If I really had to guess id say Bombadil is a manifestation of Iluvatar(Tolkien)
Tolkien said Bombadil was just an invention and not an important person to the narrative and he included Bombadil in Lord of the Rings because he had already created him and just wanted an adventure along the way.
He also said Bombadil represented Botany, Zoology, and Poetry.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 2:13 pm to scottydoesntknow
quote:Bombadil is a character that Tolkien created for his son long before he wrote LOTR. The forest he lives in is basically the same world he existed in from Tolkien's earlier writings. I kind of feel like he felt he needed to include Bombadil in some capacity, just for Christopher.
If I really had to guess id say Bombadil is a manifestation of Iluvatar(Tolkien)
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