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Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:18 am
Posted by kftiger1
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:18 am
My family has about 20 acres of timberland in Vernon Parish, and a company has approached them with a carbon storage agreement. There are underground formations in the area that big oil wants to pump CO2 into in order to save the planet.

Has anyone negotiated one of these? I have no idea what the going rate for that is.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36207 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:20 am to
quote:

Has anyone negotiated one of these? I have no idea what the going rate for that is.



Bout 350/ acre
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2358 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:22 am to
quote:

Bout 350/ acre


Nah, it's usually around 350/Mcf when dealing with gases.
Posted by runningdad85
Member since Mar 2013
312 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:24 am to
Sweet, hope you rack up!
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17438 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:27 am to
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4288 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:29 am to
Better call Saul

ETA: serious answer, might be worth a call over to the Ag Commissioner simply to ask if they can point you in the right direction of someone you can talk to and get advice from.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 8:31 am
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
54535 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:32 am to
Why store something that nature naturally converts to oxygen?
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
15534 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:34 am to
Get a lawyer that specializes in this.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36207 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:36 am to
quote:

Get a lawyer that specializes in this.



So they can take 80% of the proceeds?


Hell no.


Just ask around
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8826 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:40 am to
They'll go broke within five years. The question becomes "Will you go down with them?"
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
1778 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:43 am to
I think I heard the rate was @ $10 an acre annually, but I believe you can sell the carbon credits on what your land is holding. That’s where you make some money. @$50 per metric ton of carbon dioxide stored.

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:44 am to
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Why store something that nature naturally converts to oxygen?


Because new government/EPA regulations are instituting emissions restrictions for petrochem, LNG and other large industrial plants, so industry is trying to find solutions for what is being forced upon them.

OP:

These carbon sequestration agreements are pretty new. These types of agreements have been negotiated for lands in Louisiana really just over the past three to four years, so it isn’t something that’s been hashed out and evolved like oil & gas leases. I would highly recommend at least an oil & gas attorney, or someone who is versed in liability and environmental protection language, to look over any agreement with you.

Most of the agreements for this type of stuff in Louisiana that I’m familiar with will pay you X amount of $$ per acre to hold the agreement for X amount of years, in order for the company to acquire seismic data, file their Class 6, and get approval. Then they start building out infrastructure. Once injection starts, then you’d be compensated at a $$ per ton of CO2 injected, which you would also negotiated with the agreement that paying you a per acre to hold the acreage.

Five years should be fair. Three years, like your standard Louisiana Bath oil & gas form, is tough for the outfit due to all the upfront work they have to do. Though, since you only have 20 acres, I’d imagine they may have already done the deal with the large timberland company near/around your acreage (someone like Hancock Timberland or Mulpus??) a couple years back and just might now be approaching you to fill in the “unleased” acreage.

You should ask them if they’ve filed their Class 6 application already. If they have, then there’s no need for them to tie your acreage for more than three years before they start injecting. Also, maybe ask them if they’re doing air capture sequestration or point source from emitters, like the LNG plants on the coast.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 8:53 am
Posted by RaginRampage
Detroit Lions Fan
Member since Feb 2018
270 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:46 am to
$250/ac is the going rate for O&G leases in SLA. That area might be more.

Usually, O&G leases with Commercial Hydrocarbons will yield you royalty, which is worth much more than lease it self. (Oil company pays you 25% of the revenue, and they keep 75%, but they bear all the costs).

I don't think Carbon storage has any royalty component, but that would be my first question.

My family has leased some land in Calcasieu parish for Oil & gas, and talking with some of the companies that have leased us, they do not believe carbon capture is a viable technology, with too many risks involved. Big Oil is using it as a green front to make shareholders happy, but don't actually believe in it. Also, any carbon capture projects that go forward are just going to make an area undrillable for future O&G drilling, and also may decrease your land resale value?? The long term effects are not truly known.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:48 am to
quote:

I believe you can sell the carbon credits on what your land is holding. That’s where you make some money. @$50 per metric ton of carbon dioxide stored.


I don’t believe you can double dip. Either the company doing the injection, or the emitter themselves whose normally released CO2 is now being injected, receives the credit. What the landowner who is leasing out his porespace can receive is either a negotiated royalty, like an oil and gas lease, or a $ amount per ton injected, kind of like a $ per barrel injected with a saltwater disposal well.

I think the market in Southern Louisiana now is something like $2 to 4 per injected ton of CO2.
Posted by ItSawGood
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2015
341 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:49 am to
Depends on the cavernous storage potential under your acreage. They've likely done some sort of imaging to get an idea since they approached you. Would have them send you a proposal of sorts to see what they are offering but before you agree I suggest you definitely get an attorney involved who has experience in this space to ensure you're not getting screwed.

Need to make sure you're not liable for any damages as a result of the storage, EPA suits, etc.

Would also consider getting a third party to corroborate their assessment of cavernous storage. Usually they pay by volume of storage used. But you could set it up where you get an upfront payment and then true up payments later as they pump. But given it's only 20 acres, I'm not sure what cost v. benefits would be on those upfront administrative costs. May want to set up LLC to receive those payments and house costs, etc. I'm not an attorney so take it for what it's worth.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:51 am to
quote:

any carbon capture projects that go forward are just going to make an area undrillable for future O&G drilling


Won’t make it undrillable, but if the zone of injection is more shallow than the potential hydrocarbon zone, then more expensive as your wellbore casing will need to be “sealed up better”. I’m not a drilling engineer, so I don’t know all that’s involved with that.


Companies drill through CO2 floods in the Permian where the company doing the EOR flood owns the shallow depths leased and another company owns the deep rights leased.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16239 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:55 am to
quote:

There are underground formations in the area that big oil wants to pump CO2 into in order to avoid paying taxes

FIFY
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 9:16 am
Posted by RaginRampage
Detroit Lions Fan
Member since Feb 2018
270 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:55 am to
quote:

wellbore casing will need to be “sealed up better”


Right. The companies we talked to said it would make exploratory drilling much more costly and not worth it. But in developmental drilling, you know what the revenue v. costs will be, so they can design for it.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6213 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:56 am to
You need a lawyer. This can go beyond price. You need liability agreements drawn up so you're not involved in a lawsuit in 20 years when we discover that this wasn't the best idea. You need to negotiate payment for any trees destroyed in putting in whatever infrastructure they need. Price is actually a small part of the deal.

It won't be cheap, but you should never negotiate one of these contracts on your own.
Posted by Joe_Dirte
The Boot
Member since Feb 2019
863 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:57 am to
I'm assuming they want to drill an injection well on your property? in which case they would also likely need a pipeline ROW. pipeline ROW lease fees/agreements should be easy to figure out in your area (ask other landowners who have pipelines crossing their property).

Regarding the well, I would contact the Underground Injection Control (UIC) Section of the LA Department of Natural Resources. find other landowners where wells are being or have been drilled for CO2 storage, and figure out what their leases and royalties look like. that should give you a good starting point. When they present you with a contract, you might want to have a lawyer or landman take a look
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